Republicans have been cheating in order to win Congress, court says


samiwas

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Desertrat

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Well, duh. As though that hasn't been a bi-partisan activity for many and many a decade! :D Gerrymandering has been a way of life for both parties for forty forevers.
 

Southern Dad

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Of course, that doesn't explain how the GOP took the House in 2010, considering the district were the same in 2010 as they were in 2006 and 2008, when Democrats took and kept the House.

"Republicans and Democrats have engaged in gerrymandering for decades." - from your link, OP.
 

VulchR

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There should be some bright spark in the field of geography /cartography that should be able to mathematically define gerrymandering. In the mean time, the only way of diminishing this nonsense is to have the districts assigned by groups of citizens rather than politicians.
 

thekev

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Well, duh. As though that hasn't been a bi-partisan activity for many and many a decade! :D Gerrymandering has been a way of life for both parties for forty forevers.
40 years ago you didn't have this amount of computational power.
 

NT1440

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Actually, it is only worse because Republicans are winning the state legislatures and therefore get to draw the lines. It was all well and good when the Democrats were doing it.
I'm amazed that you don't give a damn about Democracy, but instead continue the pointless pissing match of D vs R in a country where they are both the same part with different wings to it.
 

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I'm amazed that you don't give a damn about Democracy, but instead continue the pointless pissing match of D vs R in a country where they are both the same part with different wings to it.
You're still amazed about that? :p
 

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Actually, it is only worse because Republicans are winning the state legislatures and therefore get to draw the lines. It was all well and good when the Democrats were doing it.
No, I'd personally prefer if the US got a non political body to draw it's election boundaries like we do here as we seem to be more of a real democracy.

But the thing is that before while the Democrats gerrymandered districts they did so less than the republicans have recently.
 

tshrimp

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No, I'd personally prefer if the US got a non political body to draw it's election boundaries like we do here as we seem to be more of a real democracy.

But the thing is that before while the Democrats gerrymandered districts they did so less than the republicans have recently.
FYI...The US is not a democracy. We are a Republic.
 

thekev

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Are you trying to be funny? I assume you are just kidding?

"...to the Republic for which it stands..
He was suggesting that our elections are bought and paid for by the wealthiest people, and thus they have the controlling influence.
 

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Are you trying to be funny? I assume you are just kidding?

"...to the Republic for which it stands..
No, just because a pledge says America is a republic does not mean it is.

America is actually a Corporatocracy

orporatocracy /ˌkɔrpərəˈtɒkrəsi/, is a term used as an economic and political system controlled by corporations or corporate interests.[1] It is a generally pejorative term often used by critics of the current economic situation in a particular country, especially the United States.[2][3] This is different from corporatism, which is the organisation of society into groups with common interests. Corporatocracy as a term tends to be used by liberal and left-leaning critics, but also some economic libertarian critics and other political observers across the political spectrum.[2][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16] Economist Jeffrey Sachs described the United States as a corporatocracy in his book The Price of Civilization.[17] He suggested that it arose from four trends: weak national parties and strong political representation of individual districts, the large U.S. military establishment after World War II, big corporate money financing election campaigns, and globalization tilting the balance away from workers.[17]
 

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Are you trying to be funny? I assume you are just kidding?

"...to the Republic for which it stands..
Go to any random major oil company site and see what they have to say about global warming and conservation of resources. You are welcome to believe that that indicates they use the money in support of their stated positions, I might be a little more skeptical.

Words do not always mean what you think they mean.
 

Southern Dad

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No, I'd personally prefer if the US got a non political body to draw it's election boundaries like we do here as we seem to be more of a real democracy.

But the thing is that before while the Democrats gerrymandered districts they did so less than the republicans have recently.
Remember, if you change the rules on how the lines are drawn one day the Democrats will control the state governments again. Then they will be stuck with the new rules.

Once upon a time, there was a Senator named Ted Kennedy. Since the state had a Republican governor and everyone thought Ted was ready to die, the lawmakers changed how a replacement Senator was picked. But Ted lived on past the Republican governor right into a Democratic administration. Then when he left office for health reasons, no pulse... The voters chose a Republican screwing the Democrats out of their 60 seats majority in the US Senate. And they all lived happily ever after... Oh wait, they didn't.
 

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Well, duh. As though that hasn't been a bi-partisan activity for many and many a decade! :D Gerrymandering has been a way of life for both parties for forty forevers.
It should be illegal, with a bi-partisan commission determining boundaries based on standardized rules of what determines a district.
 

chown33

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Is there any particular reason why we can't do it by counties?
Congressional districts are defined by population counts. That is, a certain number of people must be in each district. Population density doesn't necessarily follow county lines.

More specifically, Congressional representatives are apportioned according to State populations, based on the US census conducted every decade. Within the State, districts are drawn in a way that should best equalize the population within each district.
 

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To me it's like if the Republicans lose, get to the bottom of it and start finding better candidates, train them so people like them, change your message to appeal to more people, so on and so forth.

Put in some elbow grease and come back.

The most un-American, low class, despicable thing you can do is change the lines to win.

It's like, "Uh, hello?! America doesn't like you! Wake up and win them over!"
 

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Remember, if you change the rules on how the lines are drawn one day the Democrats will control the state governments again. Then they will be stuck with the new rules.

Once upon a time, there was a Senator named Ted Kennedy. Since the state had a Republican governor and everyone thought Ted was ready to die, the lawmakers changed how a replacement Senator was picked. But Ted lived on past the Republican governor right into a Democratic administration. Then when he left office for health reasons, no pulse... The voters chose a Republican screwing the Democrats out of their 60 seats majority in the US Senate. And they all lived happily ever after... Oh wait, they didn't.
It's not a sports team. Bipartisan is best.
 

Southern Dad

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It's not a sports team. Bipartisan is best.
Bipartisan is best because your team isn't doing well. Did you have this outrage when your party controlled the State Legislatures? Our laws state that each state legislature gets to determine the lines. It pays to win state legislatures especially during census years.