Republicans in the Wilderness: Is the Party Over?

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  1. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    Seriously, has a minority party ever been this inept?

    Time magazine article

    And this tidbit made me laugh

     
  2. Teh Don Ditty macrumors G4

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    The party has been over. These fear and hate mongers unfortunately had their time in the national spot light and luckily the people have realized that it's all bull sh*t.

    It's about time we got into the 21st century here and make some progress.

    *Note I'm not saying that the Democrats are the best party evar here, I'm just saying there's a better chance.
     
  3. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    Heh... when you said "Republicans in the Wilderness", I thought we'd be talking about this.
     
  4. Rt&Dzine macrumors 6502a

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    That's quite a rejection coming from Joe the Plumber who thinks that homosexuals are pedifiles or contagious:

    http://www.usnews.com/blogs/god-and...e-the-plumber-on-the-gop-and-homosexuals.html
     
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    I used to be a registered Republican.

    I'm not the only one of my friends that bailed on the party.

    Eff them.
     
  7. rdowns thread starter macrumors Penryn

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    I was never a registered Republican but I voted mostly Rep. for years. I can't see me ever supporting that party again, at least based on what we've seen for the past few years.
     
  8. Macky-Mac macrumors 68030

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    The main thing that the GOP has going for them in the future? They're the only "viable" opposition party we've got.
     
  9. solvs macrumors 603

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    It's going to get worse for them, but that's what they need. They've screwed things up badly with their politics, and if they think moving further to the right is a good idea, they haven't been paying attention to the polls. Bush barely won the second time around for various reasons (Kerry was nothing to write home about, people were still afraid of terrorism and believed Bush was stronger, the economy wasn't in the toilet completely yet, wedge politics), but his popularity slid far lower afterwards, especially with Katrina, which the excuse of "the local politicians didn't ask right" (no one said they didn't screw up too, but the feds response was and is still appalling) didn't help with. Add in fatigue over the wars that were supposed to be over long ago, still no Bin Laden, and a host of other problems, and the Dems weren't winning, the GOP were losing. As time went on, things only got worse for them. When a new guy comes along promising something else, we couldn't have it fast enough, and all the opposition had were lame slurs about socialism and taking your guns away, which they're still using, and are still only working on the few fringies leftover.

    We do need more than 1 political party, maybe even more than 2, and thankfully the Dems at time fill that nicely. Despite the BS talking points, most of fairly moderate, some even conservative, with a few actual liberals to balance things out. Plus, it takes them forever to do anything, so like last time it took them decades to screw things up not even as badly as the GOP did in just a few years. If the Dems even stabilize the current chaos, the GOP as we know it is over unless they make some major changes. The Dems would have to resoundingly fail and not get out their messages on the things they've succeeded on, which is possible, for them to even have a chance. Americans do have short memories. But that's a long shot, and hoping we fail isn't great either. Schadenfraude wasn't great for the Dems at first, which is why they generally tried to stay away from it, despite all they could have said and done, and despite being criticized for what little they did (and in some cases didn't) do.

    Personally I don't care who fixes things, but anyone who can help (eventually) get us back to fiscal responsibility (without destroying infrastructure and removing much needed regulation Libertarians) gets my vote. The Dems need a good opposition to do such things. They aren't getting it. They're getting people who now suddenly don't like a little extra deficit spending that could actually help us, while ignoring those who helped to raise it this high in the first place (on both sides), partisan sniping like those who legitimately criticized Bush were accused of. Complaining that there isn't enough oversight in the bailouts is legit. Complaining about the continuation of loss of liberties, like allowing those who ordered torture to go unpunished is legit. Complaining because rich people's taxes are going up 3%, while yours are probably going down, to help pay for things we desperately need, as well as to help pay down that debt the previous admin made that we got nothing for? Tossing around words with "ism"s in them? Criticizing what mustard the Pres got? Having no ideas other than to say "no" and hope we fail?

    Not legit.
     
  10. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Or reality, basically *no* other country in the world is as right wing as the US is these days.
     
  11. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    Not even remotely true. There are countries that are far more authoritarian and extreme in their application of religious zealotry.
     
  12. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    No. The Democrats, when they were losers, were at least still a diverse coalition of liberal interests. They did not decide to kick out different facets of their membership just to "purify" the party.

    Nor did they ever have pathetic demagogues like Boss Limbaugh making them look like a bunch of closed-minded yahoos.
     
  13. kastenbrust macrumors 68030

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    Republicans will have their Bible preaching, belt tightening, White Obama, theres too many for it not to happen. The issue is with there gene pool it just takes a bit longer for that one in a billion to come along.
     
  14. solvs macrumors 603

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    But how many 1st world, non-theocratic, Democratic-Republics?
     
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    The party should be over. The GOP has no ideas at this time, no sense of what they want for America, no articulated vision. They have basically become Democrats Lite, "Yeah, we want that too, only smaller".
     
  16. solvs macrumors 603

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    I don't see it. The Dems have become the Dem Lite. The GOP has gone ****ing bat**** crazy. Are you saying they need to move further to the right? Because good luck with that.

    Unless you're saying they need to support true fiscal conservatism, but since none of them actually ever seem to, and Clinton was the only one actually close to that in the last couple of Presidencies, I don't get where the base point is for that.
     
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    The GOP went bat*** crazy back in 2001-2009, it's why they are where they are. They totally abandoned any pretense of fiscal conservatism in favor of social conservatism, then spent the treasury like drunken sailors.

    Now the Dems have gone bat*** crazy in a bizarre game of "anything the GOP can spend, we can spend more!".

    We outta outlaw both parties, or in fact, any parties.
     
  18. obeygiant macrumors 68040

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    I thought republicans never stopped partying. :)

    What happened was that they followed KING GEORGE into a goddamn ditch. Dumbasses.
     
  19. leekohler macrumors G5

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    IIRC- you followed them as well. ;)
     
  20. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    So, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, maybe some of the central asia countries (I don't know anything about them), Myanmar, Pakistan, Afganistan, maybe some afrian countries...

    You can add the South/East Asian countries and South America to that list. The only country where its even arguable is Argentina which is pretty bad - but their recent history has been pretty bad which makes the situation difficult for them.

    a) The conservatives are supposed to spend less.

    b) People like the Economist support the bail-out.
     
  21. TSE macrumors 68030

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    Ron Paul and the fellow non-neocons that are true conservatives is the small bright spot in a waste of a political party.
     
  22. TuffLuffJimmy macrumors G3

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    Many first world countries as right wing as the US?
     
  23. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    Huh? :confused:
     
  24. TuffLuffJimmy macrumors G3

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    eh, I meant:

    "Are there many first world countries as far right as the US?"

    Would China and Russia be considered first world? I know China has made some big strides lately, but a lot of it is still in ridiculous poverty.
     

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