Republicans intent on killing American export businesses

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  1. Ugg macrumors 68000

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    Not only is business backing the wrong horse, but they are hobbling American businesses when it comes to US exports.

    It's mind boggling that the EX-IM bank which earns a tidy little profit would be the target of Republicans.

    The only term that comes to mind is 'killing the goose that laid the golden egg." That of course bodes well for Democrats this fall...
     
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    Republicans love established businesses that can donate millions at a time to their campaigns. Beyond that, they don't care.
     
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    Anything to make Obama look bad. That has become the bed rock republican policy.
     
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    I could almost understand if if the bank was rife with corruption or there were scandals or if it served only a tiny, privileged sector of exports, but none of the above apply. It's simply imagined Republican invincibility at play with a bunch of idiotic libertarians and luddite tea party members being controlled by a handful of wealthy puppeteers.
     
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    Yea....Like he needs any help to look bad...:rolleyes:
     
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    Aside from the fact that republicans explicitly stated this has long been their goal, your signature tells me you must subscribe to similar thinking... none of the GOP candidates are viable alternatives.
     
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    These sudden lurches that the Tea Partiers in congress seem to love are, pure and simple, stupid. If we no longer need an EX-IM bank, it should be phased out gradually so it doesn't add another shock to the system.

    That said, I can make a case for slowly phasing out the EX-IM bank. The purpose of the EX-IM bank is to foster international trade -- exports and imports. Looking around the room, half of everything I see is imported. It is not clear to me that trade actually needs to be fostered today in the same way that it did, say, after WWII. In fact, I would say that trade has reached excessive proportions today. And, I think, excessive trade may have the effect of stratifying income -- making the rich richer and the poor poorer. So, I could probably be persuaded to phase out the bank -- slowly.
     
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    No argument from me !!! :eek:
     
  9. thewitt macrumors 68020

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    Do you guys read anything other than liberal blogs before you comment on issues like this?

    Your lack of understanding of the basics really makes it impossible to take an of you seriously and even pretend to debate the real issues there.

    So very sad.
     
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    They go with the flow, keep blinders on.

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  11. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    If imports weren't as high the poor would definitely be poorer and the rich probably would be a little less rich as we would have a bunch of expensive lower quality junk that no one wants to buy due to high union labor costs.

    If the high labor prices we paid actually showed more quality it would be a different story.
     
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    What's your point? Do you agree the ExIm Bank should be shut down? If so, why? Or are you simply trolling?
     
  13. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    I've seen studies and dealt with clients who were looking at domestic vs. offshore manufacturing. I assumed that labor cost was the driving issue, but was surprised to learn that products made in the US actually don't cost more and have a higher level of quality. Foreign governments, however, aren't playing by the same rules that we do. China, especially, has done things to lure business into their country, and to then protect those businesses.

    Suffice it to say that labor is a far smaller factor that you would think.
     
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    Only Republicans?
     
  15. jnpy!$4g3cwk macrumors 65816

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    The theory says that on average, people are better off, but, the poor are worse off. That is, here in the West. In Asia, trade is generally making the poor better off-- an important geopolitical goal. But, I still want to find a way to get unemployment down in the Western countries-- especially youth unemployment.

    Oh, you mean if Ford quality was better than, say, Toyota?


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    It happens sometimes that union shops have higher quality than non-union. It pays to look carefully rather than over-generalize.
     
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    Yes, you are speaking about one company out of three that did not receive government assistance to stay afloat (multiple times for some of the domestics). You are advocating that we barrier international trade to somehow raise the quality of life at home. That goes against every economics theory I have ever heard. You can make sure there is a level playing field without having to bar trade completely.

    And as I said earlier, if all of our good were manufactured in the US, we would get less quality for more money. One anomaly that happened to keep their head above water doesn't mean we want ever single piece of equipment manufactured stateside.

    Btw aren't most of Fords actual parts manufactured in Mexico and to a lesser extent Canada?

    Forgot to add one thing, wouldn't failure rates be more of a complement to designers/engineers than the assembly crew? Its not like volkwagon is forgetting to bolt on the doors.
     
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    There is a very good chance that neither GM nor Chrysler would have needed bailouts if we had universal healthcare.
     
  18. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    Someone should have let the democrats know this when they had majority control of the legislative branch of government. They wouldn't have even needed any case studies on the topic, we have functioning governments that already offer it and I haven't even seen any dead bodies in the street yet.
     
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    Democrats have been making these arguments for decades, and the cost of a car related to healthcare has been part of the debate for a long time, but facts get drowned out by screams of socialism.

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    What are the Republicans fighting for?

     
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    I actually agree with fighting against the individual mandate, its a poor and unconstitutional substitute for UHC.

    I am not really sure what the Republicans are fighting for, the status quo + no socialism + get your motha ****ing hands off my medicare.
     

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