Republicans Love Obamacare!

rdowns

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I guess we won't be hearing much from Republicans on Obamacare as we head into election season. Fear not, they're timing the 14th Benghazi hearings for the elections.

A new Commonwealth Fund survey finds that in the wake of the Affordable Care Act’s first open enrollment period, significantly fewer working-age adults are uninsured than just before the sign-up period began, and many have used their new coverage to obtain needed care.


The uninsured rate for people ages 19 to 64 declined from 20 percent in the July-to-September 2013 period to 15 percent in the April-to-June 2014 period. An estimated 9.5 million fewer adults were uninsured. Young men and women drove a large part of the decline: the uninsured rate for 19-to-34-year-olds declined from 28 percent to 18 percent, with an estimated 5.7 million fewer young adults uninsured. By June, 60 percent of adults with new coverage through the marketplaces or Medicaid reported they had visited a doctor or hospital or filled a prescription; of these, 62 percent said they could not have accessed or afforded this care previously.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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Doesn't matter. Reps have deeply embedded their hatred for ACA into the party. They will have no choice but to eat their own words about ACA next election regardless of how much they try to avoid it.
 

NT1440

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Doesn't matter. Reps have deeply embedded their hatred for ACA into the party. They will have no choice but to eat their own words about ACA next election regardless of how much they try to avoid it.
Actually not. The states that are refusing the Medicare expansion are getting next to no results for their poor populations. The GOP will point to this fact (ignoring of course that they are the ones blocking the expansion) as the ACA being a failure, and their base will lap it up.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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Actually not. The states that are refusing the Medicare expansion are getting next to no results for their poor populations. The GOP will point to this fact (ignoring of course that they are the ones blocking the expansion) as the ACA being a failure, and their base will lap it up.
GOP has been good at bringing up their base locally at specific places, but nationally they will still suffer from being so anti ACA.
 

jnpy!$4g3cwk

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Pointers to a couple of interactive maps for those who want to see how it is all working out.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/10/02/us/uninsured-americans-map.html

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/interactives-and-data/maps-and-data/medicaid-expansion-map

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/07/us-states-tightness-looseness-map

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/07/new-york-times-social-mobility-metropolitan-area

Seriously, why would a poor family keep living in a(n) (up)tight state with poor social mobility and poor medical coverage? So move already!
 

Technarchy

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Like I've said, Obamacare is flawed as all hell, but it is 1000% better than it was before, so why the hell would we ever go backwards?

And hell no, no repealing. Amend, not nullify if you have a better idea to bring to the table.
 

tgara

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Since they don't show the data, it's impossible to determine how any of this was calculated. So pardon me if I'm very skeptical about this.

But regardless, it's Commonwealth’s latest slam on all things American. They’ve been doing it for decades now and it is beyond tedious. American doctors suck. American insurance sucks. American hospitals suck. American politicians suck. Commonwealth Fund has a very long track record of cherry picking information to distort its own research to score political points and to promote it's agenda, which includes Obamacare. Not buying it.

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Pointers to a couple of interactive maps for those who want to see how it is all working out.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/10/02/us/uninsured-americans-map.html

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/interactives-and-data/maps-and-data/medicaid-expansion-map

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/07/us-states-tightness-looseness-map

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/07/new-york-times-social-mobility-metropolitan-area

Seriously, why would a poor family keep living in a(n) (up)tight state with poor social mobility and poor medical coverage? So move already!
Yeah, like Mother Jones is an unbiased source.

I know this forum is like an echo chamber for lefties and progressives, but have a little dignity, man! ;)
 

zioxide

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Like I've said, Obamacare is flawed as all hell, but it is 1000% better than it was before, so why the hell would we ever go backwards?

And hell no, no repealing. Amend, not nullify if you have a better idea to bring to the table.
Spot on. The ACA is far from perfect. Hopefully it's a stepping stone to UHC in the long run.

But until then.. for the people who don't like the ACA, I totally agree with you, what's their solution to fixing the problem? "Repealing it" and going back to the **** we had before is not a solution.

I'm all ears if someone brings REAL SOLUTIONS to the table.
 

jnpy!$4g3cwk

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But regardless, it's Commonwealth’s latest slam on all things American. ... Commonwealth Fund has a very long track record of ... promote it's agenda, which includes Obamacare. Not buying it...

Yeah, like Mother Jones is an unbiased source.

I know this forum is like an echo chamber for lefties and progressives, but have a little dignity, man! ;)
You forgot the liberal-biased NY Times. :rolleyes:

Anything to add besides the ad hominem attacks? Like, any actual data that contradicts the posted data?
 

Huntn

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Doesn't matter. Reps have deeply embedded their hatred for ACA into the party. They will have no choice but to eat their own words about ACA next election regardless of how much they try to avoid it.
Just don't call it Obamacare. ;). The evils of the ACA represents the most dedicated effort to undermine a good government program for political gain in our lifetime. :(
 

tgara

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You forgot the liberal-biased NY Times. :rolleyes:

Anything to add besides the ad hominem attacks? Like, any actual data that contradicts the posted data?
It shouldn't be up to me to prove that the data is false. They should be honest and show how they derived the data. As it is, you cannot tell how they came to their conclusions, so they are probably cherry-picking and are trying to fool you. If you know how they came to their conclusions, please let us know, then we can discuss in a rational manner (at least as rational as it gets here :D) I tried to look it up and couldn't find it.
 

jnpy!$4g3cwk

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It shouldn't be up to me to prove that the data is false. They should be honest and show how they derived the data. As it is, you cannot tell how they came to their conclusions, so they are probably cherry-picking and are trying to fool you. If you know how they came to their conclusions, please let us know, then we can discuss in a rational manner (at least as rational as it gets here :D)
What "data" are you disputing? Do you think there is any question that some states opted out of the Medicaid expansion? Here is a map from another source.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act#mediaviewer/File:ACA_Medicaid_expansion_by_state.svg


I tried to look it up and couldn't find it.
What did you try to look up?
 
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rdowns

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No, it's gonna take quite a while to staff up for them….supposedly.:rolleyes:

Did you see where the Benghazi committee was voted a larger budget than committees for the VA and others?
 

NT1440

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Did you see where the Benghazi committee was voted a larger budget than committees for the VA and others?
Priorities rdowns, priorities.

It's very clear they are looking to drag this out in a flailing attempt to keep the base active for 2016.
 

rdowns

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Priorities rdowns, priorities.

It's very clear they are looking to drag this out in a flailing attempt to keep the base active for 2016.

I see where testimony from military commanders was made public yesterday. Despite Issa obviously knowing what they previously testified to, he blatantly lied about it.
 

Huntn

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I see where testimony from military commanders was made public yesterday. Despite Issa obviously knowing what they previously testified to, he blatantly lied about it.
We are only going to get as good as we elect... Even more depressingly is that a substantial portion of our populace are happy these people are causing havoc in D.C. to save their country as they know it. :(:(
 

tshrimp

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I just like that Obama care should help the republicans in 2014 and 2016..

Along with:
IRS
Border issues
Spying on AP and Fox reporter
Out of control spending
Gitmo hotel and terrorist exchange
VA Hospitals - Our great version of socialized medicine
etc, etc, etc

Should be some great upcoming elections for the GOP. If they don't gain ground after this presidency then they are in big big trouble in the future.
 

zioxide

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Priorities rdowns, priorities.

It's very clear they are looking to drag this out in a flailing attempt to keep the base active for 2016.
Jokes on them, their base is too small to win an election, and it's shrinking every day.

If they were smart, they'd ditch these manufactured controversies and character assassination attempts and start fixing the country. Then they might have a chance.
 

Arran

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Did you see where the Benghazi committee was voted a larger budget than committees for the VA and others?
What a job:
  • Squander your boss's money.
  • Waste time.
  • Achieve nothing.
  • Do it all over again.

Would any of us get away with that?
 

iBlazed

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I just like that Obama care should help the republicans in 2014 and 2016..
This, statistically makes no sense. There are no talking points against ACA that Republicans are even attempting anymore. Fox news barely mentions it anymore. Barely a third of the country supports repealing it. The Republicans are once again focused on Benghazi, which America apparently didn't care about anymore by November 2012. So it's not going to help them.

If they don't gain ground after this presidency then they are in big big trouble in the future.
You better start embracing this future now so it doesn't come as too much of a shock when it happens. :)