Republicans oppose compromise with President Obama on tax cuts

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by leekohler, Nov 7, 2010.

  1. leekohler macrumors G5

    leekohler

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2004
    Location:
    Chicago, Illinois
    #1
    No compromise? well, here you go folks. There's no reason for the Democrats to compromise either. They wanna play hardball? Fine. Let's play. Welcome to the next two years of nothing getting done.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/la-na-republicans-tax-cuts-20101108,0,6811283.story
     
  2. NT1440 macrumors G4

    NT1440

    Joined:
    May 18, 2008
    Location:
    Hartford, CT
    #2
    We all know where this is going Lee.

    The Dems will fold like the spineless jellyfish they tend to be. Big on ideas, completely lacking in balls and message management. In doing so they will only contribute to the problem.

    I'd love to see Obama finally stand up and give a frank speech to the public. Highlight on the national stage how the rhetoric and the policies of the GOP don't match up at all. Stand firm and be a leader, not a "compromise" that only skews us further to the right.
     
  3. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

    leekohler

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2004
    Location:
    Chicago, Illinois
    #3
    I agree. Obama should ask them where they plan to find the money to fix the deficit. I hope he does stick it to them.
     
  4. iJohnHenry macrumors P6

    iJohnHenry

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2008
    Location:
    On tenterhooks
    #4
    POTUS commands the Nation's attention, at his whim. T'was ever thus.

    This has been used before, with good success, to overcome "obstacles".

    Why not now?

    He has two years. Hit them hard, and hit them often.
     
  5. CaoCao macrumors 6502a

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2010
    #5
    We've gone so far to the right they would probably chase out President Eisenhower for being a filthy Socialist
     
  6. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

    leekohler

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2004
    Location:
    Chicago, Illinois
    #6
    Agreed. We do not need more debt. BTW- Obama doesn;t have to do a thing. He can just sit back and watch the cuts expire.
     
  7. NT1440 macrumors G4

    NT1440

    Joined:
    May 18, 2008
    Location:
    Hartford, CT
    #7
    Exactly.

    If he doesn't, he can kiss my vote away. We need a leader with the right ideals AND balls, not either or. Not with the current state of affairs.
     
  8. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

    leekohler

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2004
    Location:
    Chicago, Illinois
    #8
    And it seems to me that the only one being fiscally responsible here is Obama. We have to start paying our bills.
     
  9. Sky Blue Guest

    Sky Blue

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2005
    #9
    haha, agreed. I'm fine with both sides bickering until they expire though.
     
  10. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

    leekohler

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2004
    Location:
    Chicago, Illinois
    #10
    Yep. Me too.
     
  11. NT1440 macrumors G4

    NT1440

    Joined:
    May 18, 2008
    Location:
    Hartford, CT
    #11
    They won't though. This cycle has been played so many times in our history its sad no one ever wants to bring it up. As each side jockeys for power they pander to their bases in rhetoric only, get elected, then do what they want (or completely fail to get actual progress made in the case of the Dems). The people never catch on because there is a big "New and improved!" sticker slapped on the same gang that has been there for decades.

    Its pathetic, and it makes our country look like a bunch of morons for falling for it every. single. time.
     
  12. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

    Thomas Veil

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2004
    Location:
    OBJECTIVE reality
    #12
    Me three.

    In fact, I'm going to make popcorn and sit back and watch for the next two years as the Republicans shoot both of their feet off. This no-compromise plan is a guaranteed loser.

    It's a shame it's going to hurt the country in the short term, but in the long run we'll benefit by ushering them back out just as quickly as we ushered them in.
     
  13. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

    leekohler

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2004
    Location:
    Chicago, Illinois
    #13
    Well, the Republicans seem to be trying to legislate for their base, don't they?
     
  14. NT1440 macrumors G4

    NT1440

    Joined:
    May 18, 2008
    Location:
    Hartford, CT
    #14
    Lol when it comes to the republicans I have no idea where the pandering ends and the dictating to begins.
     
  15. Eric-PTEK macrumors 6502

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2009
    #15
    If you don't need more debt, stop spending.
     
  16. NT1440 macrumors G4

    NT1440

    Joined:
    May 18, 2008
    Location:
    Hartford, CT
    #16
    K, what are you gonna cut?
     
  17. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

    leekohler

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2004
    Location:
    Chicago, Illinois
    #17
    That's what I would like to know.
     
  18. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

    Rodimus Prime

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2006
    #18
    You might have to put Erik on your ignore list. To me he already appears worse than fivepoint.
     
  19. NT1440 macrumors G4

    NT1440

    Joined:
    May 18, 2008
    Location:
    Hartford, CT
    #19
    This is what I hate about the state of our politics. We've made the entire thing a charade. Our press lets these people get away with using buzzwords and not forcing anyone to elaborate. Take a look at the "debates" that are held. No tough questions, 90 second response times, no one holding anyone to the facts. Its pathetic.

    I'd love to see a return to old school debates, no time limits, candidates actually calling each other out on their *********.

    This is simple. All we need is the American people to become interested in their futures, and to demand that we hold those in power accountable.
     
  20. Eric-PTEK macrumors 6502

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2009
    #20
    To cut you first need to be realistic and not emotional.

    But I'll take a swipe at the pieces I know very well:

    Corn subsidies for farmers due to biofuels. We pay farmers to grow corn, more than they could ever sell. Now there is so much corn on the market the price goes down(supply vs demand), so we pay the farmers a subsidy on the corn to make up for them pushing the price down...by the corn we tell them to make....so we can turn it into E85, at a negative energy return meaning we put more energy into making it than it produces in a car.

    Carbon Canisters. Each car has a carbon canister in it so trap evaporated fuel during refueling. $40 a car in cost and 8lbs in plastic that ends up in land fill. And you know what, you drip more fuel moving the nozzle from the pump to the gas tank than ever would escape in vapor.

    Now those are things...but they were created by government organization who have no idea how things really work.

    A few Explorers rolled over because people couldn't keep their tires inflated so now each car has $32 worth of tire pressure sensors.

    Cut out the organizations that make these kinds of rules. You want to protect the environment, fine. In California cars are not required to have carbon canisters, instead they use vacuum pumps at the pump itself. If you notice certain pumps will have rubber sheaths, same with in Europe.

    They not only collect the vapor, but they collect the spillage. So instead of spending $40 times 17 million, the number of cars produced annually, they could have outfitted the pumps themselves, once, and achieved a greater overall effect.

    The EPA, Board of Education, so many of them are bloated and make emotional rather than rational decisions.

    I'm not looking for anarchy but common sense.

    Those examples above, there is a cost associated with them, in some organization, cut that.

    Privatize things that make sense to privatize, take them out of the governments hands.
     
  21. leekohler thread starter macrumors G5

    leekohler

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2004
    Location:
    Chicago, Illinois
    #21
    Oh OK, so do away with regulations that protect us from bad business practices? Do away with educational standards? Those are simply emotional things? Wow- great ideas. :rolleyes: You do realize that what you mentioned is a drop in the bucket, right?
     
  22. flopticalcube macrumors G4

    flopticalcube

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2006
    Location:
    In the velcro closure of America's Hat
    #22
    Very minor. Look to cut where it will make a difference. Defence, Medicare, Welfare.
     
  23. NT1440 macrumors G4

    NT1440

    Joined:
    May 18, 2008
    Location:
    Hartford, CT
    #23
    Um, half of that would only save businesses money, not cut government spending.

    Also, they are nowhere even close to the scale needed to effect the deficit. Not even a drop in the bucket.
     
  24. yg17 macrumors G5

    yg17

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2004
    Location:
    St. Louis, MO
    #24
    Eisenhower built the interstate highway system, which was basically the 1950s version of high speed rail. And seeing that Republicans today are labeling high speed rail initiatives as socialist and unnecessary spending, yeah, you're exactly right. Eisenhower would not be welcome in today's Republican party.
     
  25. Eric-PTEK macrumors 6502

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2009
    #25
    Did I say that?

    I gave a few simple examples, and there are huge government entities that come up with stuff like that.

    Those examples can be extrapolated.

    There are tons of useless regulations that do cost businesses money, and what do businesses do, they make money, so they charge the consumer more.

    Back in the 80's if you wanted to be safe in a car you bought a Volvo, plain and simple, you paid a heavy premium for it, but it was your choice.

    Now in Europe pedestrians have to be able to withstand a 20mph impact from someone!

    There is a point where this country started to protect the stupid from themselves and its the start of the decline.

    I gave the carbon example, the ethanol, the tire pressure monitors.

    There is a place for government with business, it should help promote it, not stifle it.

    Hybrid cars, the love affair of the liberal. Yes the Prius gets 45mpg, but so did the Honda CR-X HF and its 'carbon footprint' was way less.

    A Prius uses way less fuel, but its overall environmental impact is way higher due to the energy and chemicals needed to manufacture them.

    Good luck when you get in a bad accident as the rescue workers all stare at one another wondering who will be the first person to touch the giant capacitor burning to the ground in front of them.

    Honda could never build a car like the CRX due to regs. Was the car inherently unsafe, no.

    The government killed diesel in passenger cars here in the US. Large rigs use a urea injection system to dramatically cut emissions. A diesel rig might cost $400,000 but it'll run for 20-30 YEARS. The Urea system is about 15K, thats peanuts for its effectiveness and cost over 30 years.

    The problem is a urea system on a car costs about 7K, cars are 30-40 grand, and last 6-7 years.

    But someone in the government, without a clue how business works, demanded that they have them.

    A ground up diesel engine takes about 5-6 years to develop. A new design would not require urea.

    So instead of being a smart government and use a ramped up emissions rule which would give companies the time it takes to develop a new engine, realize that the take rate for diesel would slowly ramp up they stifled it totally.

    We could have introduced a high efficiency engine, dramatically increased mileage, not required a massive infrastructure change, and worked toward a new emissions goal.

    Instead years were wasted on a lost technology.

    If someone did the math I would bet that the emissions from all those extra gas engines and hybrid production would not be as high as that from diesels.

    Governments make crappy decisions based on half facts and half beliefs.

    There are hundreds of examples like that in the auto industry alone.

    Organizations that are funded through tax dollars made that happen.

    Cut down the government to essential services and leave it at that. Let private companies pick up the slack.
     

Share This Page