Republicans support Obamacare if you don't call it Obamacare

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  1. yg17 macrumors G5

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    Good god these people are ignorant.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-isnt-on-them/2012/06/25/gJQAq7E51V_blog.html


    In summary, they like Obamacare, just as long as a) You don't call it Obamacare, and b) You don't help poor people when they're sick. I think that pretty much sums up the GOP platform: Screw the poor and hate anything Obama does.
     
  2. leekohler macrumors G5

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    They've voted against other things they agree with too, just because Obama came up with it first. The GOP, point blank, wants nothing but power.
     
  3. ThisIsNotMe macrumors 68000

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    And none of that works without a mandate.
    Forgot the poll numbers on that?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ate-poll-says/2012/03/18/gIQAaZtpLS_blog.html

    So 67% of the general population (Republicans/Independents/Democrats) want the court to throw out the mandate.
     
  4. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    67% want to throw out the mndate so they can continue paying for the healthcare of others? Why?
     
  5. leekohler macrumors G5

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    I would be willing to bet that a large number of those people want UHC instead.
     
  6. quagmire macrumors 603

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    Why do people want the the whole law thrown out? That includes the whole can't deny people with pre-existing conditions.
     
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    For any claims to be paid, there has to be enough money in the "pool." Insurance companies currently are not forced to cover pre-existing conditions. Therefore, the pool is only X large. If/when insurance companies are forced to cover pre-existing conditions, the pool must be much larger. The only way to make it large enough is to require everyone to pay into the pool - the individual mandate. When the individual mandate gets overturned this Thursday, it will necessarily follow that the pre-existing condition requirement be tossed as well.

    UHC is the only way to make it work.
     
  9. Dmunjal macrumors 65816

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    People will always vote for something for nothing. That is the story of our country now. So these polls don't surprise me. Doesn't make it constitutional.
     
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    Are there any poll numbers for the number of Republicans who support financial penalties for not having insurance? I'd be curious to see those.

    I'd also like to see how many Republicans paying more taxes to support these initiatives. Any numbers on that?

    I'm also intrigued why the third question was included, mostly because it goes without saying that the employers would insure themselves.
     
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    I'd like to think that everyone of all political affiliations is progressively becoming more knowledgable about how much a universal healthcare system would benefit everyone in America. It's a much more positive outlook :)
     
  12. AhmedFaisal Guest

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    What it comes down to is this. "We need to get that n****r out of the White House". I have tried hard to find other justifications for the current behavior of the GOP and there isn't one. It's the same atmosphere as during Kennedy's presidency when everybody was hating on Irish catholics. There also is the aspect of the trauma of FDR's presidency that the Republicans have never gotten over.
     
  13. Big-TDI-Guy macrumors 68030

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    It's a racial thing now? I've heard tons of idiotic ideals from all sides - but not aware of anything racially biased.

    Not to say there isn't, but are people really that dumb to be openly racist in this day in America? At least from a surviving politics for more than 5 minutes perspective?

    wait, maybe you shouldn't answer that.
     
  14. kavika411 macrumors 6502a

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    I don't follow your logic. According to you, if a Republican is against Obamacare, which will be held unconstitutional in two days (by the same Supreme Court that just declared most of Arizona's anti-immigration legislation unconstitutional and that juveniles can no longer be sentenced to life in prison), then then it is because Obama is half-black? Or were you saying all Republicans, and not just those against Obamacare, want "that n****r out of the White House"?

    I'm very interested, if you care to explain, why you chose the words that you did.
     
  15. AhmedFaisal, Jun 26, 2012
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    You haven't heard of the famous "not that I think it's true, but..." or "I'm not really saying it, but..." tactic of republican pundits? Papa Bear and Jesus Men Beck and Hannity are famous for it.
     
  16. NickZac macrumors 68000

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    Why can't it just be "we need to get the current president out of the White House"? So anyone who does not like the current president and wants to get him out and a new one in is now racist? That seems a little extreme to me...last time I checked political parties worked to get their politicians in office and get the other politicians out. The level of extreme is almost equally as crazy as the people who do not agree with the president and then label him as a "socialist", a "Nazi", or "evil"...there is a medium here...
     
  17. AhmedFaisal, Jun 26, 2012
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    Oh I mean the current GOP as a whole more or less. The few people that seem pretty reasonable in that party are being sidelined or ousted from their seats by Teabaggers, for example Richard Lugar or *shudder* Jeb Bush who is amazingly more sane than the current bunch running the party.

    Nope, not anyone. I for one would like to see a different more liberal president in office than Obama. But the current active breed of Teabaggers that has hijacked the GOP has one motive and one motive only "get the n****r out of the white house". The people in the GOP who may want a different president based on valid reasons have been rendered irrelevant in the party.
     
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    Then where does Obamacare fit into your "n****r" rant, or are you just trolling?
     
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    You have tried hard to find one, but there isn't one - then you go on to name a couple. You didn't try very hard, in my estimation

    The only time I've seen the President's race addressed in PRSI it was brought up by a left-leaning poster who was trying to insinuate that Republicans/conservatives feel that way about him. The reality is that you're the one who brought race into this; I honestly don't think all that many other people really care.
     
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    Careful. It's not trolling in the PRSI for someone to expressly declare a group of people "racist" or "bigoted." But it is trolling in the PRSI to call that person out.
     
  21. Mac'nCheese macrumors 68030

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    I dont disagree entirely but would that even be something that people would post? I hate black people especially the president! I don't see that happening no matter how true it might be.
     
  22. AhmedFaisal Guest

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    Isn't it obvious. Before it was Obamacare, it was GOPcare under Clinton and later came Romneycare in Massachusetts. So explain to me how other than to cause maximum damage to the president's image the current opposition to Obamacare can be viewed? Combine that with a party that isn't willing to dissociate itself from birthers and other crazies, it creates a certain impression. And do you really expect me to believe that had Obama been white that there even would be birthers? Or people that think he is a muslim sleeper terrorist?
     
  23. kavika411 macrumors 6502a

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    Oh, I don't know. Wait. Wait. What's that word? It's... Dang, I forgot it again. Oh, yeah:

    Unconstitutional.

    But don't let that interrupt your afternoon troll through the park.
     
  24. quagmire macrumors 603

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    I get that, but why do people want to get rid of it? If it is because their own costs will go up due to the whole mandate thing going away, ok. But, any other reasons people would oppose it?
     
  25. kavika411 macrumors 6502a

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    If the individual mandate went away, but the insurance companies still had to accept you no matter what, why would anyone pay for insurance until they are on their way to the hospita? They wouldn't. No reason to. I sure wouldn't.
     

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