Restaurant bans kids under 6. Discrimination or smart move?

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Should banning children from restaurants be illegal?

  1. No, it's a great idea.

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  2. Yes, it's discriminatory!

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  1. likemyorbs macrumors 68000

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  2. yg17 macrumors G5

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    I know where I'm eating at if I'm ever in Monroeville, PA.
     
  3. GoCubsGo macrumors Nehalem

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    It is a bold move for sure but I don't think it's all that terrible if this place wants to represent itself as high-end and adult orientated. I'm sure I'm in the minority there but frankly, depending upon the restaurant, kids just don't belong sometimes. I think if you go to certain places it is reasonable to believe you will have a nice quiet time (if that is what the place is supposed to be like). To have to deal with a screaming kid is nonsense. The parents that are outraged will likely include (but won't be limited to) the ones have kids who just erupt in public. Not all children do this and it's a behavior that can be corrected. I have it on good authority (personal experience) that a child who has somehow decided certain behaviors are acceptable because their parents refuse to parent can be taught differently.

    I think there are places that you go where it would be unreasonable to expect quiet. Red Robin rings a loud bell to me. This is a place that is good for kids and adults, they serve adult beverages (thank God) and their environment is very kid-friendly. If this place banned kids under 6 I would be outraged and I'm not even a parent. But if a place like say Flemings wants to put an end to small children then so be it. For what I pay for a bottle of wine and a good cut of steak, I would prefer not to have to deal with a parent hassling their kid because their kid is being unruly. However, I cannot honestly think of many places I dine at where I could be bothered by a kid being in the building. It seems wherever I go family fits in well, higher end steakhouses and sushi bars seem to be places I can see doing this.

    Now, I am not anti-kid. I happen to enjoy children in many if not nearly all settings. I've dined a handful of times with a family of three that includes a small child. He is by far one of the best children I've ever met. He talks, he has gotten a bit silly but then again so do I. He is polite and has table manners This is one kid that unfortunately will be excluded from places that he enjoys (if this trend sweeps the nation) because of something outside his control. Like self-checkout, there is no test that you can give the kid before entering so the place will never know how amazingly well-behaved this child is.

    In retrospect, 6 may be a bit old. I'd say 3 or 4 if they're really looking to get rid of the criers and screamers. Likewise, if you act 6 then you should be removed as well. ;) Is it discrimination? I'm sure some wacko will be able to prove that it is and therefore, this will likely get out of hand.
     
  4. arkitect macrumors 601

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    I think it is a great idea.
    There are plenty of family friendly places for them to go and eat at.

    Sometimes you really really do not want a bunch of 4 year olds running amok while their parents sit there taking videos of their little horrors…
     
  5. (marc) macrumors 6502a

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    Nice move. I hate how many parents think their kids' misbehavior in restaurants is "cute" or "funny".
     
  6. iStudentUK macrumors 65816

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    I think it is fine if it is done properly.

    If I was a restaurant with a sign like the one below I'd think the owners were jerks-
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    However, if they marketed themselves as somewhere to enjoy a quiet meal (with everyone is old enough not to constantly scream and cry) then it can be fine.

    Some hotels/B&Bs do this, I don't see the problem.
     
  7. dmr727 macrumors G3

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    I think it's a smart move. To me it's the same as having a dress code - some restaurants want to ensure the atmosphere falls within certain parameters. If I want to dine at a high end steakhouse, they'll turn me away if I'm in shorts and sandals. Young kids will sometimes misbehave or be loud, regardless of how good the parents are. I don't think it's unreasonable for restaurants looking for a specific atmosphere to ask parents to leave the young ones with grandma for the evening. Or if they're unwilling to do that, hit up the Applebee's down the street.
     
  8. likemyorbs thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Umm, people, how the hell are we supposed to have a debate if everyone agrees?? :mad:
     
  9. kavika411 macrumors 6502a

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    Discrimination? Yes.

    Smart Move? Yes.

    Mutually Exclusive? No.
     
  10. yg17 macrumors G5

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    helenlovejoy.jpg
    Helen Lovejoy doesn't agree :p
     
  11. (marc) macrumors 6502a

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    Yup, seems pretty much everyone is annoyed by little kids in restaurants. :D
     
  12. iStudentUK macrumors 65816

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    You need to work in words like "right-wing", "bible", "abortion", "homosexual" etc.

    Try this- "Right-wing christian restaurant owner bans former foetuses after fears the noise created was putting people off having children and so turning them into homosexuals."
     
  13. (marc) macrumors 6502a

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    Or "liberal", "socialist" and "agenda".
     
  14. likemyorbs thread starter macrumors 68000

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    That's hilarious. I think this is one of the few issues conservatives and liberals can unite on.
     
  15. MacVixen, Jul 13, 2011
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    Here I"ll be the Rabble Rouser :D

    As a mom with a 3 1/2 and 5 1/2 year old I find it outrageous. My precious darlings should be able to eat wherever I'm paying good money! :mad:


    Actually, I'm just kidding. It really depends on the type of restaurant. My two boys are admittedly a bit on the wild side - I don't spend a lot of time taking them to restaurants. It can be a frustrating experience for me and no, I don't like them disturbing other patrons. So our dining choices are limited to "diner" type restaurants where a little crying or acting out is not frowned on too badly. I will stress though that I IMMEDIATELY remove my children from the premises if they are acting out.

    I'm waiting for the "child-free" flights to come about next. That seems to get most people in a rage with almost everyone relaying a story of a kicking-seat, crying, screaming child. In my personal flying experience I have actually never had to deal with unruly children on a plane - just lucky? or is the one bad experience enough to linger in the minds for forever?
     
  16. imahawki macrumors 6502a

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    I have kids and I find your experience on the flying part interesting because I'm in the same boat. For all the ranting stories I've NEVER had an out of control kid on a flight, EVER! And I fly a TON. 25% travel at my current job and 3 years of 50% travel and 2 years of 75% travel in previous jobs. NEVER had a kid kick my seat and never had a baby or a kid that cried for more than a few minutes.

    People are generally hypocrites (or lack any self insight) in my opinon. There's probably someone out there who weighs 300 lbs and squashed the person they sat next to for 3 hours and he's sitting on an internet forum somewhere bitching about a baby that cried for 5 minutes during the descent.
     
  17. yg17 macrumors G5

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    I don't fly often, but it seems like every time I fly there are a bunch of obnoxious brats on the plane. I have the worst luck. And then there was the time I took a connecting flight through Orlando during the summer. Never doing that again. I will pay extra for a non-stop or layover somewhere else so I can avoid that godforsaken hellhole of an airport and the screaming brat infested flights that fly into and out of it.

    Could be worse though, you could have to be in business class with the Octomom and her litter of kids
     
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    Here in Utah, there are movie theaters that will sell tickets to special screenings that are 18+ and ID only. They will give this option even fore PG movies so that you can rest assured you aren't going to a movie with crying babies or annoying teens. I go to these showings when I can. It's awesome.

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  19. bizzle macrumors 6502a

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    It's not discrimination. There are plenty of bars that do not let kids in PERIOD, even with adults, and even if it's just at a table and not at the bar. This place serves alcohol, that's reason enough. Kid's don't belong there.

    There are plenty of other places you can go that is more "family friendly" if you don't like it.

    I for one welcome this and wish more places would follow suit. If I am paying for a meal, or anything for that matter, I don't want to hear Sally's kid running their mouth because they don't want to sit still and eat their broccoli or are having a fit because they're tired.

    If people would have common courtesy to keep their bratty loud mouth kids at home instead of bringing them somewhere to just interrupt everyone else, this wouldn't be a problem right now.
     
  20. Apple OC macrumors 68040

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    sounds like a good idea ... there are many places parents can still go as a family ... with most of the out of control kids the blame belongs to the parents who have not instilled manners on the little ones.
     
  21. macquariumguy macrumors 6502a

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    It is both discriminatory and a good idea, all at the same time.
     
  22. dukebound85 macrumors P6

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    Does discrimination even cover minors?
     
  23. iBlue, Jul 13, 2011
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    YES! Airports (not so much the flying) tend to stress me out anyway but combined with screaming brat central and it's like torture. I can feel myself getting pissed off all over again thinking about these brats I encountered in Dublin airport - one 6-ish year old boy in particular. Never have I wanted to hit a child more in my life... or his lousy piece of trash mother who did nothing about his behaviour.

    An infant crying on a plane during descent is understandable and no big deal. Hours of sustained bad behaviour from kids who could be taught better is infuriating. I would absolutely pay more to not have the chance of dealing with people's spawn on flights.



    As for this restaurant thing - I couldn't agree more with Jessica's post.
     
  24. (marc) macrumors 6502a

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    Whoa, that sounds great! Although I remember seeing the best movies in completely empty theaters, anyway.
     
  25. Surely Guest

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    This isn't a new thing. I know of a few restaurants in Las Vegas that have this type of age requirement, including this one of the top of my head: http://www.mirage.com/restaurants/kokomos.aspx

    I have a kid under that age, and I have no problem with a policy like that.
     

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