Rich Brooks responds: Revenge of the Mac user cultists (and ...

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  1. Nermal Moderator


    Staff Member

    Dec 7, 2002
    New Zealand
  2. stoid macrumors 601


    Feb 17, 2002
    So long, and thanks for all the fish!
    Well someone certainly missed the point! :D :p

    I'm sorry Mr. Brooks, perhaps I'll follow the crowd like a goddamn lemming rather than seeing what is the best and most productive product. :rolleyes: Thank you! I've seen the light! ;)

    edit: For the lazy types - original flamed article and MR discussion thread
  3. winmacguy macrumors 68020


    Nov 8, 2003
    New Zealand
    Well after I picked myself up off the floor from laughing so hard at his response, I would have to say that Rich Brooks is the one missing the point. He is also stubborn and ingnorant which unfortunatley means his attitude to Apple's operating system and the benefits of using it will never change. These people are best left to live under their rock. It is just unfortunate when they have the power of the press to express their misguided and uninformed views to the larger public, most of whom still believe that all computer operating systems are susceptable to viruses. Interesting to see that he got 700 email replies from Mac users around the world. I guess his article wasnt posted on enough webites...

    I seem to remember the guy who trashed his brand new G5 Mac that his parents had given him for Christmas becasue he wanted a Dell since they are "faster" and showed pictures of the rebuild, got more than 700 emails.

    I must admit it would be nice if Rich Brooks could actually post some correct and factual information in his replying article after being bombarded by 700 responses. It would seem that he still doesnt know squat about OSX (or care enough about it to do some research)

  4. quagmire macrumors 603


    Apr 19, 2004
    He still misses the point of our emails. I wonder who was the one who said that PCs can't read Mac cds. What BS. Now that he says that 97% marketshare was a no brainer for the school district that does sort of make sense so 97% of the kids don't have to learn how to work the Mac. But, still doesn't mean the schools don't have to. I bet you at least 90% of those kids who use windows has an iPod and traveled to an apple store and checked out Macs. My final gripe is the person said," Because Macs have better anti-virus software." A person who says that shouldn't be a Mac Head. Macs don't have viruses because the Mac itself is more secure than windows along with the low market share.
  5. Blackheart macrumors 6502a


    Mar 13, 2004
    So I'm sure that there WERE a lot of flame emails sent to him and this just makes me mad. Mac users as a whole get a bad wrap when people go out and starting yelling at PC people that they need to switch and that their way of life is wrong. If you're going to send a letter/email out into the PC world, structure it politely. Don't use frivolous generalizations, opinions, or unsubstantiated facts. A common one seems to be "Macs are easier to use". I too believe this, but I wouldn't dare use it in a letter like this. There's no way to back it up with any studies so I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.

    Sorry, just had to rant.

    I'll be emailing him apologizing for those flame emails and try to clarify any points that he has missed.
  6. OziMac macrumors 6502

    Oct 24, 2003
    I'm sorry, but as much as Brooks missed the point again and quite frankly has no idea what he's writing about, he does have one point - all those people who wrote to him so aggressively simply fueled his ignorance rather than achieving anything positive - I mean, if half of the things he wrote about receiving are true, the authors of that kind of feedback need o be taking a long hard look at themselves before taking the cane to someone else. And look how convinces the great man is. :(
  7. wrldwzrd89 macrumors G5


    Jun 6, 2003
    Solon, OH
    The point Rich Brooks is making doesn't make a whole lot of sense if you take into account that significantly more than 3% of the school population have Macs at home (I'd guess that several of those users have both a Mac and a PC). The marketshare "facts" being quoted are not only themselves false, but they are also misleading given the context.
  8. StarbucksSam macrumors 65816


    Nov 21, 2004
    Washington, D.C.
    That is UTTERLY unbelieveable.

    "Even so, I doubt that I would ever buy a Mac. I've seen what owning one can do to people. And I don't want any part of that."

    How IGNORANT. I swear.
  9. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

    Jul 4, 2004
    Revenge is a dish best eaten cold...

    After all, the platform of his choice is Windows.
    Good luck to him...
  10. nsb3000 macrumors 6502


    Jun 17, 2003
    Boston, MA
    I also liked his defense about writing about Macs even though he has never used one :

    "I don't own a Mac or use one; therefore, I shouldn't write about them. The fallacy of this argument is easy to see. Followed to its logical end, this would mean that only murderers could judge those accused of murder, etc."

    Right. Because those are two analogues scenarios. Following his type of flawed logic, if 97% people deecied to jump off cliffs, than the rest of us should too...this does not help his aurgument.

    The point is you shouldn't write about them because you don't know what you are talking about. I don't personally expect every journalist to use a Mac before writing about them, but they should at least *research* the topic before making broad claims about their benefits and drawbacks, which Mr. Brooks obviously did not do.

    Also, there is this part:

    "Even so, I doubt that I would ever buy a Mac. I've seen what owning one can do to people. And I don't want any part of that."

    I always love it how some people look at Mac user enthusiasm as a if the Mac operating system is some sort of drug that forces you to believe that it is superior. That these people never consider that Mac users enthusiasm might be a result of a better product, never ceases to amaze me..
  11. NOV macrumors 6502


    Mar 27, 2004
    The Netherlands
    I really 'liked' this part:

    Well I don't in what backward part of the country that teacher and those reporters live
  12. AmigoMac macrumors 68020


    Aug 5, 2003

    Yeah, switch to PC and get yourself in troubles...

    the man is in the artificial "Win XP Vs Mac os 8" era...

    Put the man inside the bag! :mad:

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  13. space2go macrumors regular

    Feb 5, 2004
    I still like that one most:
    "phasing out the Macs was a no-brainer"
  14. stoid macrumors 601


    Feb 17, 2002
    So long, and thanks for all the fish!
    Haha, I finally get the pun. Yes it would take a rather brainless person to phase out Macs for Windows machines. :D
  15. the_mole1314 macrumors 6502a

    Sep 16, 2003
    Akron, OH
  16. Iroganai macrumors regular


    Oct 18, 2003
    we should've bombarded him

    not with 700 emails, but 700 iMac G5s!

    As for floppies etc,
    maybe those using Windows are somehow forced to use such an
    slow & relatively expensive-per-capacity device even now...

    But I think the majorities are now using USB memories,
    just CD-Rs, internet storages, or portable HDs including iPods,
    or just carrying around your notebooks...

  17. corradokid macrumors newbie

    Sep 18, 2003
    20 miles north of Apple HQ
    Seriously... floppies?

    Ever since 1998, computers on college campuses I've been to have always had a Zip drive on every computer, be it Mac or PC in their labs. Not just the creative labs, but ALL labs. The PCs had floppies, and about half of the Macs had add-on USB floppy drives but no one used them! Students brought in Zip disks (much more storage) and CD-RWs. Now presentations and such are brought in on pen drives, iPods, CD-R(W)s, and students are welcomed to bring in their own laptops as well.

    NO ONE is using floppies anymore. Seriously. Was Mr. Brooks one of those people in '98 trying to say people still need 5.25" floppy disk drives???

    He also touched on viruses and spyware attacks, but answering with: Some say this is because Macs have such a small share of the market that hackers don't bother. Others say this is because Macs have superior anti-virus programs. Nowhere does he suggest OS X is just a more secure OS overall and, no, it's not "superior anti-virus programs." If I was to write a paper like this for one of my classes, I'd need to quote sources and do some research. Mr. Brooks would learn probably 90% of MAcs aren't running anti-virus software at all because it's not necessary.

    Scary thing is.... the main page of the herald Tribune says "Southwest Florida's Information Leader" HA!
  18. iJon macrumors 604


    Feb 7, 2002
    My high school still used floppies. It was awful. They had nothing else to use. They were also using old equipment. They tended to adopt new techonlogies as they upgraded to newer computers.

    I also want to find out his home phone number now, just cause someone got it wrong. No intentions of harrassing him, but it would be fun.

  19. brap macrumors 68000

    May 10, 2004
    Gah! Probably never be read; I'll bet he has a Mail rule in Outlook Express (;))which sends *mac* to the Trash. I know I would If I were a stubborn, closed minded nincompoop expecting lots of Mac-related spam.
  20. Mainyehc macrumors 6502a


    Mar 14, 2004
    Lisbon, Portugal
    Spot on!

    Anyway, I believe in that "Outlook filter" theory. But I think he actually scrubbed through the trash folder, in search of some ugly e-mails, conveniently ignoring information-rich ones. What a dumb-ass... He is the one who seems to be confused... It smells a lot like Stockholm Syndrome! And do you know what I call that attitude of his? DOUBLETHINK!!
  21. jkhanson macrumors member

    Jun 17, 2003
    He and the person who wrote him must have been talking about floppy disks. Not that I have actually used a floppy disk in years, but Macs could read PC-formatted floppies but the reverse was not true unless software like MacDrive were installed on the PC.
  22. neonart macrumors 65816


    Sep 4, 2002
    Near a Mac since 1993.
    In Strongbad's famous words: Unsubscribe me! Take me offalist!

    Seriusly folks, if you receive this paper, simply write a polite letter to Mr. Brooks, Mr. Connely, and the subscriptions desk and tell them you would like to NOT receive their newspaper based on Mr. Brooks poorly written article as it shows lack of professional journalism from a newspaper.

    But there's probably like 3 people that get that paper anyhow.
  23. bosskxx1 macrumors newbie

    Dec 10, 2001
    Old School

    Unfortunately there are more morons out there than just him. These people are old school, and will never listen to reason.

    Giving the reason to buy Wintel boxes for the students because it will probably be the system they will use in the work force is bull. Even Windows will change in 5 to 10 years to come that they will have to learn new stuff about the operating system.

    I believe that the school systems should offer students Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux. It will make students realize more about computers in general. Knowing only one way to do something on a computer is a very dangerous way of learning, because if something changes in the OS, people wouldn't know what to do.

    I remember a long time ago David Progue of CNET was a Mac basher, and wrote an article that received a lot of criticism. Then when he tried a Mac, he later wrote a bunch of positive articles, and even bought one. So my point is I don't even bother reading negative articles about a product unless they thoroughly used the product.

    The best thing that people can do is call him a phony, a reporter who writes a persuasive article that is very biased, and no evidence/research to back up his point of view is a bad writer.
  24. dlfitch macrumors member

    Sep 23, 2004
    My mom has PCs and a Mac in her classroom (4th and 5th grade). The PCs are only used for using World and IE, and absolutely nothing else.

    However, the class has digital cameras, a camcorder, a scanner, and tons of multimedia stuff. The kids all refuse to do any of that on the PC, so there ends up being a long line to use the old G3. Having a dock alone changes everything; it encourages kids to launch software and play around with stuff that they would never come across if they had to click a start button and then navigate through the window to find it.

    I think those students are much better prepared to use computers in the future, be it a mac or PC. At the same time, the students that can only use PCs and never do that much on them will be able to do just as little on their computers in the future as well. I think PCs are simply too complex for elementary students to use, where as OS X is a perfect introduction into the world of modern operating systems.

    Oh yeah, my mom is responsible for all maintenance on the machines too, which she isn't very good at and has no time for, so viruses are a huge pain. In the end they have to wait weeks for the district to send an IT person out (maybe that's only in New Mexico's cash- strapped schools, but I would guess viruses are a huge pain for teachers all over regardless of how may IT people the school has). At least that mac has been there saving them money for almost 4 years now.

    Oh yea, his facts are wrong too. Where does a 97% Windows market share come from? Isn't 3% Mac over all, another 3 to 6 percent linux or unix, and windows accounts for the rest? And isn't that including business machines, whereas home users are closer to 10% macs? I think he saw one thing mention a 3% apple market share, assumed that meant home users, and then went on to assume that windows and mac are the only two operating systems out there so MS must have all the rest. What a poor journalists, he should go to a school and try to gather his own information at the very least...

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