Rift in the Larsen C Ice Shelf Near Collapse

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  1. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Another example of the effects of Global Warming. Ironic that today trump will announce the U.S. position on the Paris Agreement on Climate Change. I hope he makes the right choice.
     
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    Why?

    Just you don't understand something, doesn't make it "crap."
     
  4. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    because that "non binding" agreement where anyone can make up whatever they want is supported by China and big oil, those 2 don't support things unless they can benefit from it.
     
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    The Paris agreement is a great idea but too late and it's effects won't do enough. By the time they finish reviewing it in 5 year increments, the ice sheets will all be gone.

    Stop drilling for oil, stop burning gasses, and move everything to solar. Problem solved. Unfortunately you've just pissed off every billionaire and trillionaire on the planet so that's why it will never happen.
     
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    ^^^ China says they're moving to renewable power; South Korea's new president has shut down at least ten coal-fired power plants; "Big Oil" is looking to migrate towards renewable energy (because they'll be darned if they miss out on controlling energy sales); Germany is on its way to banning cars with internal-combustion engines...

    The way it's going, the rest of the world will be well down the road towards clean energy while the US tries to "save" nonexistent jobs in the Rust Belt.
     
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    And those fancy poisonous depleted batteries will save the World how?
     
  8. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    it's a NON BINDING AGREEMENT that does NOT stop ANYONE or FORCE them to adhere to it in the first place. hell per another post it COST 100 BILLION to be paid to other countries, and for what? something based on the "honor" system? no thanks.
     
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    If the government of Sweden had propped up Facit AB in the 1970's we could have been the world leader in electronic typewriters today. Now Trump has a unique chance to do the same for the dying fossil fuel industries in the US.
     
  10. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    For what? To allow developing nations to leapfrog over 19th century methods of producing power, that's what it's for.

    It's almost as if your understanding of the deal is based entirely on bullet points.
     
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    main bullet point I have is that we happen to be BROKE. big oil supporting this makes it suspect and China holding up their end? yeah that is going to happen.. no thanks. I prefer those developing nations to stay "developing", maybe I can retire to a nice quiet place when then time comes instead of an industrial over developed hell hole.
     
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    Most of the norms of behavior that make life bearable for us humans are legally "non-binding."

    There is no actual law against loudly farting in a crowded elevator. But social pressures and the universal opprobrium of one's co-workers and fellow residents of the apartment building mean that one rarely encounters people who actually do it.

    I know that sounds like a silly metaphor, but it is not. A behavior becoming socially unacceptable among one's peer groups is generally far more effective at reducing its incidence than laws and penalties. To cite two, very different, examples: Drunk driving and the use of racist epithets. Once it became socially unacceptable to drive intoxicated, people changed their behavior: restaurants and clubs instituted "designated driver" programs, etc. Social science has shown that such changes in societal mores are at least as effective at reducing drunk driving than even the most draconian penalties.

    And that's the thing about the Paris Climate Agreement. Developing countries like India and China are far more likely to make serious efforts to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions if they see rich, developed countries like the US and EU making sacrifices to do the same.

    And that is why I see Donald Trump's attitude and policies so utterly short-sighted. The very antithesis of the sort of global leadership a truly great country would exhibit. For most of the past hundred years, the United States has literally been a leader in Environmental affairs. EPA and California vehicles emission standards have collectively reduced smog and acid rain in not just Southern California and the industrial Midwest - but have spurred carmakers around the world to improve emissions and fuel economy.
     
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    Then you have a grade school understanding of economics (like most proclaimed libertarians).

    We're not broke.
     
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    we borrowed money to stay at war.............. even someone in grade school would question the wisdom of that...... I did notice you cut out the rest. we have plenty of over developed crap holes. there is no need for more.
     
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    Richest country in the history of the world is broke....RIGHT. Right-wing logic at work.
     
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    This is not an example of man made global warming. For the last 10,000 years the giant ice cube created in the last ice age has been melting. That's it.
     
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    We're not broke. We just run on the promises of IOU's at a future date.
     
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    Who said we have to keep using the same battery chemistry?
     
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    No one, but until we create new ones we're still going to have to deal with the ones that run on current tech.
     
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    richest country borrowed money to stay at war, richest country takes cash from social security, richest country is 20 trillion in debt, richest country can't send kids to higher education for free , you guys pretend we have money and you have nothing to show for it..........
     
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    We're way outside the normal cyclic range.
    https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/

    Another bit of trivia: they say that nobody born in the last fifty years (ish) has experienced a month that was cooler than average.
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    Well, duh.

    So who's going to get that new tech up to scale if we're not investing in it?
     
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    Make sure it's at least 500 feet above sea level. Read once that 30M people on the East coast live less than 20 feet AMSL.
    But I'll be dead by then, so what do I care...
     
  23. DrewDaHilp1 macrumors 6502a

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    Why does "we" have to be US tax payer?
     
  24. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    nah, I would love a place by the beach :D
     
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    Did you read that article? They stated that CO2 levels were much lower than today. During the ice age. No ****! During the ice age there was very little plant life to produce CO2. If you look at the Vostok Ice Core samples CO2 follows warming, it doesn't precede it.
     

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