Ron Paul calls Obama a "Neo Con"

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  1. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    Ron Paul calls Obama a "Neo Con" - Your thoughts?
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathleen-wells/congressman-ron-paul-talk_b_212520.html

     
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    Once again, Ron Paul proves that he's insane. Last time I checked, we were starting to empty Guantanamo and get ready to start getting troops out of Iraq.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7988065.stm
     
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    Sheesh, one day conservatives are criticizing Obama for cutting the defense budget, the next day one is criticizing Obama for increasing the defense budget. No wonder Republicans can't identify who speaks for them...

    You can't please everyone. And you certainly can't please a member of the opposite party.
     
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    I think the problem is that the Republican Party is fracturing. I don't believe that "charge and spend" Republicans, like Bush or even Reagan, for that matter, are true conservatives. In my view, they are Neo-Cons, which is even a bad descriptor, since it uses the word conservative.

    Also-I think we'll be in Iraq for a loooong time. As long as we don't get a President who truly believes in change. Otherwise why did the US build a huge, city-sized, multi-billion dollar embassy? Obama is blowing a smoke-screen by removing a handful of troops, but leaving a lot of "advisors".
     
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    Ron Paul isn't really part of the Republican Party, he just used it to be a Presidential nominee. I think it is pretty much safe to say 95% of the Republican Party hates the guy and his policies.

    And yes, I completely agree with him. Obama's foreign policy isn't any different from Bush's or McCain's. He just uses upbeat speeches and the word "Change" to mask the same old foreign policy.

    Until we get a president that actually is an anti-interventionist, like Ron Paul, the American Empire will always have troops dying somewhere across seas.
     
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    So- you also don't think we'll leave Iraq? And sorry- I don't want anyone like Paul anywhere near the White House. The guy is a loon.
     
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    Sure we will, right after we pull our troops out of Germany and Japan. ;)
     
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    I agree with you to a point. I think Ron Paul is a true conservative Republican. I think 95% of the Rupublican Party has swayed from the conservative message. True conservatives don't spend the way Bush or Reagan did. Conservatives believe in individuals rights and LESS government, not more.

    It seems like the gap between "new" Republicans and Democrats has narrowed to a few issues as of late. They both grow government and involve us in needless wars. But one party increases taxes to spend more, and the other charges the national credit card to spend more.
     
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    Does nothing more than provide more evidence that Ron Paul is a nut job.
     
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    We won't leave Iraq or Afghanistan with Obama or any neo-con or neo-dem for that matter.
    May I ask why you guys think Ron Paul is a nutjob?

    I agree with him on almost everything.
     
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    Yea a smashing success I might add. Another large bombing in Iraq in what have been some of the bloodiest weeks in Iraq in the past 6 months. Setting a timetable for withdrawal is a mistake. If you think we're leaving Iraq anytime soon I'm afraid your sadly mistaken. Right, wrong or indifferent, we will likely be there for decades.

    Emptying Gitmo? One prisoner to France and one on trial in the US isn't exactly what I'd call a liquidation. Gitmo will always have a tarnished image, but it's one of the most state of the art prisons around and like Iraq, it will be in play for a long time. One of the first promises Obama broke was his rapid exit of Gitmo.
     
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    Aren't a $50 Trillion national debt, and trillion dollar yearly budget deficits loony, as well? Isn't our government taking over huge companies loony? Isn't taking our money and giving it to banks, just to loan it back to us at interest loony?

    I truly believe that Ron Paul, Peter Schiff and Judge Andrew Napolitano are our only ticket out of the madness.
     
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    I disagree with a lot of what Ron Paul believes, and I think the guy is crazy (especially in regards to economics), but there isn't a single thing I disagree with him in this interview.

    He rightly criticized the increase of the Defense Budget, the spinelessness regarding torture (and he actually called it torture, something no US politician does), the expansion of the war in the Middle East, and he has one of the most sensible positions regarding Iran that I've seen any US politician hold.

    I'll give Paul credit when he's right, and this is certainly one of those few times he actually is right.
     
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    Thank you, GW Bush.

    Thank you, GW Bush.
     
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    Agreed - If he looked like Mitt Romney and energized a crowd like BHO, Ron Paul would be our president.

    His ideas are not nutty, they are constitutional. He is a strict constiutionalist. He's not a progressive or new world order guy - those folks are the nutjobs IMO.
     
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    Bush started it, but Obama took the pass and is sprinting toward the goal line. The goal line being total bankruptcy! Heck, we are already there, technically.
     
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    Brave man. I have to hand it to you, it5five, that was big of you.

    Great, so GW was a big government, big spending, interventionist, liberal, and BO is a bigger government, bigger spending, interventionist, liberal, with a dash of socialism.

    Hooray! Point made.
     
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    Ron Paul is asking people to think for themselves and fight against mainstream media brain washing. Be fair, not everyone is ready for that world. Some people would rather just take the blue pill.


    I am disgusted at myself for quoting the matrix.
     
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    And wtf exactly did you expect to happen when one president leaves a massive problem that takes money to fix?

    Were we just going to ignore it and let everything collapse absolutely?
     
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    Wow–I have to say–this thread is bringing together people of both sides of the aisle, like never before. Kind of funny, when you break things down to our bare constitutional liberties, most people agree with each other.
     
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    QUOTE: And wtf exactly did you expect to happen when one president leaves a massive problem that takes money to fix?
    Were we just going to ignore it and let everything collapse absolutely?



    Using money to "fix" this mess is only going to work in the near-short-term. You can't buy your way out of this mess, without bringing back some manufacturing, creating jobs, cutting taxes and budgets and yes, letting things go out of business. Throwing good money after bad, just leaves you poorer than you were before!
     
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    To be clear - many of the banks that were lended the money in late 2008 are beginning to pay it back - with interest. While GWB was in favor of letting GM file for bankruptcy, BHO wasn't. Instead, he gave them billions of dollars AND THEN let them file bankruptcy. Smooth.

    Now BHO is paying back his union friends with major ownership of GM and priority payback from Chysler.
     
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    I suggest you look a little harder...if you really think that, you haven't been looking. Obama's handling of Iran? Of Cuba? Those are clearly different. Afghanistan? You might not like it,but it is not Bush's policy.

    :rolleyes: I have no problem intervening, when we have the world community(or a large part of it) backing us up and/or the circumstances call for it. We should act like we're part of a team, not the one power in the world. Ron Paul takes ideas off the table before he even considers them. Thats a dangerous way to go about this.

    Neo-dem? Are we just making terms up now? And yes, we will leave Iraq/Afghanistan...perhaps not as fast as you'd like, but we can't rush these things to quickly(although I think we could push it faster then Obama is pushing it)..but to say we won't leave is silly
     
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    First of all, Paul doesn't believe in the right to privacy. That's just for starters. He also thinks the state has a right to regulate what you do in your bedroom (just not the federal government). There's a lot more to dislike about Paul, but boy has he pulled the wool over a lot of people's eyes. Basically, he's not against government intervention as long as it comes from the state, instead of the Fed. Don't be fooled by this clown.
     
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