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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Macmaniac, Jun 29, 2003.
Here's an interesting article Read
Well I'm no republican but at least he helps Apple's bottom line.
i didnt bother reading the article but i know he's been plugging Macs for many years now... i think he started with a Quadra or PM6100. i have mixed feelings; his endorsements are what lead to my dad buying me my first iMac, on the other hand i think he should die and go to the Ignorant level of hell. But whatever
Politics aside, i think an endorsement from a well known individual is great for promoting Apple. Glad to see more celebrities using macs
I listened to the audio stream. That's a pretty glowing endorsement, although I'm not sure what he meant by saying that it was Apple's political views that were holding them back from reaching a larger audience. Does he mean that Apple was not interested in advertising on his show? I could see that happening, which actually is unfortunate because his listeners have bucks and support the products that advertise on his show.
I agree with him that it's ridiculous that Apple isn't more mainstream due to the superiority of its products.
Everyone I meet that has a PC wants to switch after seeing my with my Macs, but it's crazy that so many people haven't gotten to see one in person before seeing mine.
I think it's time for Apple to make a serious dent in the desktop market.
Ha, I didn't know this guy untill he made fun of a person who I like...
Read a quote
(even though this isn't the person I said about)
Notice that they say one word Algore, is algore a person, cause I though it was AL Gore who worked at apple.
This annoys me how even when you don't think they are making fun of a person, they really are. You think that aint on purpose? Thats how this guy lives.
The article they DO link to is very nice:
Tho the clip, arg even listen to the first line.
'Superior in every way... With iTunes making a profit' Well yes, apple is superior, BUT then he lies.
0 Quarters have gone by where apple gets money from iTunes market. 0, they didn't get money before they released it!
'So constrined by political view' WTF?
Do people think Apple = Liberal THEREFORE THEY DON'T BUY?
Do I say 'Fox', makes fox news therefore don't watch any Fox programming?
Hell No, what is this logic?
It's not their politics
As a Republican and a Rush Limbaugh fan I would have to say he is wrong. Apple's politics don't keep its market share, its a combination of ignorance of the gerenal public and price. Many people out their still think Macs cannot run Word and crucial software of the like, and Apple doesn't market enough to the budget conscious types who will buy a $500 Dell over a $1400 iMac. Rush could be a key to increasing their market share though, enough people listen to him and if Apple paid him to endorse Macs on a daily basis just like he does with a multitude of other products it could increase market quite considerably, politics aside.
Re: It's not their politics
Agreed. Its not the politics that hampers Mac sales, though, having AlGore in your board of directors doesn't help. AlGore is a very polarizing figure in politics, and there are probably some would-be Mac-switchers who are turned off. That is not what you want to do.
I saw several people at the Keynote NOT applaud when Stevo had AlGore up on the screen. I, myself, kept my hands crossed, in the interest of full disclosure.
Besides, doesn't GWBush use Macs. I remember reading and seeing pictures of GWB in front of a Powerbook.
What everyone here should be saying is that EVERYONE, Democrats, Greenies, Libertarians, Republicans, etc should be using and buying Macs! This 'I-use-Macs-and-I-don't-like-Republicans-so-they-shouldn't-be-using-Macs' does not help things any.
I think dr_spudboy is right. The general public doesn't know much about Macs. However, if more people get to see them in person, it can really help. This is especially true of the iMac and PowerBook g4 (they are so sleek). I'm glad Apple is opening some stores to actually show people!
i think we can all agree getting influential people to endorse apple products is key. I think its asanine to put a political affiliation on a computer.
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I agree with dr_spudboy, who do I not agree with MrMacMan is asked well I don't agree with Frohickey.
100 To 1 the person doesn't know who the CEO of the company is, do you know who each of the board of directors is? I don't, now please don't go to the apple website, see if you can name more then Steve and Al Gore.
BTW, why do people have a problem with sayind 'Al Gore' instead of (wtf is this?) 'AlGore' notice the rather big key under the 'C, v, b, n, m, ',' and '.' keys you see that?
Next time your at a shareholders meeting vote the board down why don't ya?
First, are people goint to really ponder what computer George has? Really, he could ask congress for a billion dollars for computers and get every model from every manufacture, I'm sure he has tons.
Where... Where, Where do you see this?
I think everyone here agrees the publicity is great and that no one is going to question if a company is for or against their political views... Seriously man.
BTW, you left out many political parties in your everyone statement.
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Show Mr Customer a picture of AlGore and he'll tell you that he's the one that ran for president and lost in 2000. Chances are, 50% of the people did not vote for him either. Thats pretty polarizing.
As to using the space bar or not, are you being Mr Censorship Man? I'll type it the way I want you, you can complain about it if you want to. Nice to live in a free country, no?
About the attitude of 'I-use-Macs-and-I-don't-like-Republicans-so-they-shouldn't-be-using-Macs', I read that on some other forum, trying to find a picture of GWBush in front of a Powerbook. And it wasn't just an isolated comment.
The 4 political parties I listed were the ones that had the most people voted into office during the past election cycle. Maybe I should have put Reform as well, but since they have imploded because of Buchanan...
don't libertarians (spelling?), believe that the less government there is the better things will be? like not anarchy (no gov) but just less gov?
You know what's polarizing? Advertising on a biased talk show with a controversial figure who's been called a hate-monger and a Nazi. It's the same reason so many companies will not advertise on Howard Stern's show.
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And if I call Bush Shrub or Chimpresident, you'll respect my carefully prepared unbiased opinion with the same weight as if I had called him something not so dehumanizing?
because rush limbaughs topic of the day is bigger boobs?
I love how people just loosely throw around the term nazi. same as with communist. I bet less than half the people who use those terms know what historically they represent. I don't think Rush Limbaugh was responsible for the killing of 6 million Jews.
One more thing: no company chooses politics over business or they're not in business very long. Apple would not choose politics over increased sales.
Apple's been around for awhile and they're not going anywhere (much to the dismay of those who have been prophesying its demise for the past 10+ years).
He is not a hate-monger or a Nazi. Just a sometimes childish man who is more a comedian than political anylist. I know many right-wing extremists that consider Al Gore a baby-killing, anti-American, friend of terrorists. He's not. I know many conservatives who weren't interested in Apple products because Steve is a liberal, and they don't want to support liberals. Al Gore joining the team didn't help any. Should Al Gore quit? No. Should Apple advertise on a conservative program? Yes. Doesn't have to be Rush, but it should be someone he leans a little to the right would show that they want EVERYONE'S business, not just the business of those who think the same way Steve and Al think.
Liberal or conservative aside, I thought it was kind of ironic that he thought being too political was hurting their market share... he obviously hasn't had his popularity or pocket book hurt by his political views...
This is business, not politics, though. Apple's bottom line is what they are concerned about, ultimately. If it wasn't, they wouldn't bother being in business.
Let's see... Their computer line is the most expensive in the industry, effectively pricing themselves out of the range of any lower income family, who is enthralled at being able to buy a $500 no-name PC package.
Doesn't sound too Liberal to me. I'd say they were more Green than anything.
Apple's "liberal" slant has little or nothing to do with their success in the market place. Like has been said, pricing is what kills mac sales because when the average person goes to buy a computer they look at price and what they "get" for the money. This is why mHz matters so much. The bottom line is the bottom line, no matter how much better your products are, the more you charge the less you will sell. That said, why on earth did Apple put someone like Al Gore on their board. This is the same man who chaired senate hearings on censoring music (he and his wife were trying to "protect" their children), the same man who arbitrarily claimed to have "invented the internet" and the same man who took how much money from the chinese? Maybe if Apple wanted to get some better manufacturing deals in china, then I could see where Big Al would come in handy. Or maybe they are doing research into artificial intelligence, I mean, he is a pretty affable and gregarious for an automaton isn't he?
And that kind of thinking is why people like Rush get called hate-mongers. Are liberals so awful, so deplorable that anyone would restrict their computer purchase choices on that basis? Must even buying a computer be politicized? Sheesh.
I would hope that people like that are on the raving fringes of backwoods lunacy, rather than constituing a prime chunk of Apple's targeted demographics!
Really, what's so terrible about liberals? I hear the word tossed around like an epithet so very many times on conservative-leaning shows that I wonder if they think it means what I think it means.
(Besides, why should Apple pay for advertising time on Rush's show if he's willing to do the job for free? )
First, dosen't calling someone a nazi make you a hate-mongerer, unless of course they are really a nazi?
I have never once heard Rush spewing anti-semetic (he is actually very pro-Israel) or nazi sympathizing things. I have never heard him cite hitler as a hero. I have never heard him advocate a return to the fatherland, or any talk of a master race, aryan power or anything else like that. What excatly makes him a nazi?
He, of course, isn't a nazi. People should be careful how they use that word. When you apply it to everyone you dissagree with, you lessen the power of that word.
Secondly, the reason people are typing "Algore" instead of Al Gore, is that is how Rush says it. It is a joke referring to his stiff personality. He has been doing it for years.
You may not like rush, but he is a Mac user. He does have an extremely popular program, and exposure from his show certianly dosen't hurt Apple.
Just my thoughts...
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You didn't address that few people know the CEO (and who cares?) and how many people are going to care who in on their Board of Directors!
Feel free to call Al 'AlGore' even though how can you diss a person who doesn't even post at this forum...
Would you be made if I called you AlGore instead of Frohickey? Maybe that is what I will do, I will address the Board member Al Gore and you as AlGore.
Really? Wow, you have really conservative friends, who wouldn't even invest in a company, JUST because of Steve? Damn they are not only missing out on great products but segregating themselves, I didn't know people did that anymore. MrMacMan though we moved into the 21st century.
They think it means communist, which again is somehow means a bad this again.
Groovsonic, nazi as in invading other countries, and believing that they are superior to others.
Nazi is the new playground term used by people who don't have anything factual to say but rather rely on name-calling. In twenty years, we'll probably be calling people Talibans or French.
Anyhoo, Rush is more entertaining than anything and for the most part, under the layers of overacting, he has a lot of great points. This however isn't one of them, but it does touch up on a subject about Apple's marketing. They are egotistical, unfriendly, and downright dumb. If only they could match their advertising with their cool design style that pretty much says, "you want me" they could rake in some serious dough. Heck, a 30 second ad just showing the suck feature of the windows would make a million more converts. To say that this is the root of Apple's problems would be foolish since their main problem lies in the threat of competition, but still it wouldn't hurt...well, unless they made an Apple Dude... *shiver*
Jesus... I never called him a Nazi.
Reading comprehension, people...
Howard Stern's been called a pedophile and a pornographer (among other things), though he's neither. I don't think it's in Apple's best interests to promote their products on his show either. You want to get your product noticed without generating negative attention.