Russia to cut the US out of the ISS

MacNut

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Russia has rejected a US request to use the International Space Station after 2020 in retaliation for trade sanctions imposed over Russia's aggressive annexation of Crimea, its deputy prime minister announced today.

The space station is maintained by both American and Russian crews. But because NASA's shuttle program was decommissioned in 2011, the only way to get there is on board Russian spacecraft. The US currently pays Russia $60 million per person to ferry its astronauts to the space station, and had planned to continue working on it until 2024.

"The Russian segment can exist independently from the American one. The US one cannot," Russian deputy prime minister Dmitry Rogozin said today.

THE US PAYS RUSSIA $60 MILLION PER ASTRONAUT TO GET TO THE ISS

The move comes after NASA announced it was cutting off contact with Russia because of the Ukraine crisis, with the exception of the space station. At the time, critics said the move was a ploy by NASA to get more funding from the US government. Russia's announcement, however, seems genuinely motivated by the Ukraine fallout.

Russia will also bar the US from buying Russian rocket engines that would be used to launch military satellites, Rogozin said.

The country is following through on its threats from last month. At the time, Rogozin joked that the US would have to explore using trampolines to send its astronauts to space.

Update, 4:18PM: NASA sent an official statement saying it is not aware of any changes.

Space cooperation has been a hallmark of US-Russia relations, including during the height of the Cold War, and most notably, in the past 13 consecutive years of continuous human presence on board the International Space Station. Ongoing operations on the ISS continue on a normal basis with a planned return of crew today and expected launch of a new crew in the next few weeks. We have not received any official notification from the Government of Russia on any changes in our space cooperation at this point.
http://www.theverge.com/2014/5/13/5714462/russia-will-cut-off-us-access-to-the-international-space-station-over

Wether or not this is true will be an issue at some point with Putin flexing his old man muscles.
 

quagmire

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This is just rides to the ISS correct? Shouldn't be that big of deal.

A) Who knows where Russia-US relations be in 2020

B) SpaceX, Boeing, etc should be ready for manned launches in 2017. And NASA's SLS rocket will be ready in 2021( though will be expensive to do LEO missions). The Atlas V will be human rated for Boeing's capsule, so NASA could use it as well to put their Orion capsule( though the Atlas V will need a new engine to replace the Russian RD-180). There is also the possibility to human-rate the Delta IV/Heavy( which the Delta IV Heavy is launching an unmanned Orion capsule this year for testing).
 

Huntn

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There are U.S. companies working on transport for the ISS. I have no idea how long before they are in operation for transport of people. My other question is about the ISS. As it is, are we gaining anything from it or is it just a huge expense?
 

MacNut

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There are U.S. companies working on transport for the ISS. I have no idea how long before they are in operation for transport of people. My other question is about the ISS. As it is, are we gaining anything from it or is it just a huge expense?
There is a lot of experiments for deep space travel being done now on the ISS.

The article seems to imply that the Russians will cut off their side of the station to the US.
 

quagmire

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I guess in hindsight, scrapping the US space shuttle program wasn't such a good idea.
The Shuttle's were aging. It was time to retire them. And unfortunately NASA doesn't have the budget to develop a new vehicle while the old one is still operating. Shuttle had to go in order for SLS to be developed.

Even if Obama did reverse Bush's directive to retire the Shuttle's, it would have taken years and valuable money to restart production and find new suppliers to supply the parts to keep the Shuttle's going.

As mentioned earlier, there are commercial options in the works to send US astronauts to the ISS. As usual though Congress protecting their own interests( states that have companies supplying parts for the SLS HLV) have been underfunding NASA's commercial effort. SpaceX says they will be ready in 2017 for manned launches, but who knows if that will stick if the program keeps on getting underfunded.
 

Southern Dad

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Unfortunately, the USA has lost some much face during this administration that other nations have zero respect for the USA. What was it that Barry was whispering? He'd have more latitude after the election? How's that working out?
 

rdowns

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Unfortunately, the USA has lost some much face during this administration that other nations have zero respect for the USA. What was it that Barry was whispering? He'd have more latitude after the election? How's that working out?


Oh yeah, the USA was riding high off of all the goodwill we built up during the Bush years. :rolleyes:
 

rdowns

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Obama asks Putin not to allow Snowden in...
Obama tells Putin not to invade Urkraine...
Russia tells us to figure out how to get to the Space Station on our own...

Hell of a foreign policy.

So "other nations" is Russia. What would you have done?
 

Kissaragi

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5 and a half years to send up the needed parts for the rest of the world to carry on without Russia up there. And draw a huge red line down the middle of course
 

bradl

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Obama asks Putin not to allow Snowden in...
Obama tells Putin not to invade Urkraine...
Russia tells us to figure out how to get to the Space Station on our own...

Hell of a foreign policy.
Spoken like someone who decided to omit 2001-2008 from their life.

BL.
 

Technarchy

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Motivation to get our own space program back in order.

The F35 debacle is a trillion dollars and counting. Why aren't we putting that much money into the space program?
 

G51989

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Motivation to get our own space program back in order.

The F35 debacle is a trillion dollars and counting. Why aren't we putting that much money into the space program?
Because the F35 is much more profitable to defense contractors and their lobbyists that run congress.

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Unfortunately, the USA has lost some much face during this administration that other nations have zero respect for the USA. What was it that Barry was whispering? He'd have more latitude after the election? How's that working out?
The USA didn't lose any of its face in the world because of Blunders like Iraq and Afghanistan?

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I guess in hindsight, scrapping the US space shuttle program wasn't such a good idea.
The shuttles were getting far to old to stay safe.
 

quagmire

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Really? We have aircraft that are far older than the shuttles and they are still in service.
They are not as complex or as fragile as the Shuttle.

Funny, after Columbia people were calling the Shuttle's POS and demanding them to be retired. Now they want them back, blame Obama for killing our space program, etc.
 

G51989

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Good question... How many years has Obama been Commander & Chief? He owns Afghanistan.
It does't matter if Obama owns it or not, the world community does care. Bush started a war over false pretenses, they don't care that Obama was kept Afghanistan going, they care that Bush started it.

Really? We have aircraft that are far older than the shuttles and they are still in service.
You aren't serious right?

A Space shuttle is FAR more complex than your average aircraft, and undergoes huge strains that extend what aircraft deal with. Overhauling one would costs billions and take years.

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They are not as complex or as fragile as the Shuttle.

Funny, after Columbia people were calling the Shuttle's POS and demanding them to be retired. Now they want them back, blame Obama for killing our space program, etc.
This.

There is a HUGE difference between spacecraft and aircraft. The amount of stress a shuttle undergoes during launch and re entry are pretty insane.

Its like comparing Apples to a timing belt on a 1991 Chrysler Minivan.
 

G51989

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Who provoked the Ukraine debacle?
It might be possible, tho I am not decided, that the west started the problems in Ukraine, to destablize it, and annex it for the west.

The West and NATO have been trying to box in Russia for a long time now, the issue is that it isn't really working. You saw the Russians take Crimea, there is a very good chance they will take the East of Ukraine to keep the West away from Russia.
 

Happybunny

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Unfortunately, the USA has lost some much face during this administration that other nations have zero respect for the USA. What was it that Barry was whispering? He'd have more latitude after the election? How's that working out?


Dubya was without a doubt the most despised piece of crap that ever walked this earth, in the last 25 years.