Russian arms-ship headed to Syria halted

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  1. niuniu macrumors 68020

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    I wonder how many despots receive American arms?

    I'm not saying that I condone Russia's actions.

    Just that they aren't alone.
     
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    Yeah, but Russia is acting basically against our interests.

    It's ok as long as we do it, but if other countries do it it's not ok.
     
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    Its about time they did something about Syria. This won't stop the civil war, but atleast it will spare SOME lives.
     
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    The US was selling the Egyptians arms even as the Mubarak regime was collapsing, however, the Russians have argued that they weren't selling or shipping attack helicopters, but this article indicates that that's exactly what was onboard those ships.

    Last week, Sec. State Clinton accused the Russians of selling attack helicopters to Syria.
     
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    Good, although I'll be surprised if Russia doesn't attempt to get these into Syria by another route. Turkey should easiliy prevent an attempt through the Bosphorus, but we still need Egypt on side to prevent any attempts via Iran and through the Suez Canal.
     
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    As a pacifist, I don't agree with selling arms to any nation.

    However, I just wanted to get my point in before this thread devolves into a diatribe about how extra evil Russia is.

    You all may carry on now.
     
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    I'm not sure the toppling of the Syrian regime is any country's best interest except Syria's ( and their people are the what matter)
     
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    Would love to know how many Americans have died indirectly at the hands of the CIA training, US arms dealing, or simply poor international diplomacy.

    Yeah likely, maybe they've gotten arms in already.

    At one point I agreed - looked like intervention would have made Syria worse. But it seems the bloodshed isn't stopping. Assad has to go, no question about it.

    Can't special forces assassinate him :confused: Maybe only Israel carry those out these days.
     
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    I think there is a real danger of Syria becoming a failed state. With the worrying news coming out of Egypt, which looks everyday more fragile. If Egypt also becomes a failed state that would leave Israel in between the two.
     
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    Egypt isn't going to collapse in on itself. The story's nowhere near over yet, and there will likely be more trouble before it settles, but it's not Yemen in waiting.
     
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    link
     
  13. Happybunny macrumors 68000

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    I'll believe that when I see it happen. ;)
     
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    Why did you only cut off this part?

    The article date itself is mid-June

    :D
     
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    I was just trying to be accurate.

    The US was shipping tear-gas canisters, the Russians attack helicopters, which just tells us that when the populace rises up, you can still expect security council members to reliably ship weapons to despots.

    It's lousy.
     
  17. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    And?

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    Yes. It is.
     
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    Russia wasn't "sneaking" anything into Syria. Most of the world knew what was on board .
     
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    I come bearing roses. Smell them, please.

    No one on the International stage has clean hands.

    NO ONE. :mad:

    This constitutes restraint of trade. :rolleyes:
     
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    That's what I was wondering. Seems like if Assad was to ever step out into the open air, we could send a CIA drone in there and take him out. Crises over.
     
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    Why? What would that solve?

    We (the US) should just stay out of it and let the dispute run its course.
     
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    If the US was to do that it would make a bad situation, into a catastrophic situation.
    Who ever came to power would be seen as an American puppet.
    Any chance of healing the deep divisions in Syria would be lost for at least 10 years.

    Libya is a good reference for this, the country is still deeply divided.
     
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    Don't think it's allowed, "officially". Source.

     
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    But we send drones in to kill terrorist leaders all the time. I guess since they aren't the head of an actual state, it's ok?
     
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    Killing a head of state would be seen as bad sport among the ruling class.

    Let drones and working class soldiers go out and kill each other, they're dispensable. Throw in the civilians to liven it up a bit.
     

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