Russian lawyer who met with Don Jr., Kushner, & Manafort admits to being Kremlin informant.

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    The New York Times reports that Natalya Veselnitskaya admitted to being a Russian informant who worked for the Kremlin.

    “I am a lawyer, and I am an informant,” she said. “Since 2013, I have been actively communicating with the office of the Russian prosecutor general.”

    Veselnitskaya is the Russian lawyer that met with Don Jr., Kushner, and Manafort at Trump Tower in 2016. They met because Veselnitskaya promised to provide Don Jr. with information that would damage Hillary Clinton.

    Her private emails were acquired by a Russian opposition group called "Dossier".

    Don Jr. is on the record stating that he wanted to collude with Russia, planned to do so, but ultimately failed to do so. A Russian informant working for the Kremlin met secretly with two Trump family members and close campaign members. The campaign members have since been indicted, and Rick Gates* pled guilty to "conspiracy against the United States".

    *Corrected by TonyC28
     
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    Pretty sure this was already known that she worked with Russian prosecutors in the past (two years earlier according to your article), it doesn't mean that she was meeting under that capacity for the Trump meeting or any collusion has been proven.

    House intelligence committee weighed in today: no collusion.
     
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    I'd be curious to know why then she offered damaging information on Hillary Clinton and the DNC (information that could only have been obtained by Russian intelligence operations) at this meeting?

    Idle chitchat?

    The stated purpose of the meeting with Trump Jr; Manafort; and Kushner was a discussion of the adoption of Russian orphans. Specifically, the Russian response to the Magnitsky Act, which placed severe sanctions on Russian officials deemed responsible for the death of a Russian tax accountant.

    Why else would this woman be talking to the three top figures in the Trump Campaign, and offering them damaging information on a political rival, other than for the purposes of collusion?

    I mean, if she'd just kept the discussion restricted to the plight of motherless waifs in Moscow and St. Petersburg, you might argue she was just a concerned Russian citizen. But she didn't. She brought up e-mails that we now know had been hacked by operatives of Russian intelligence.

    Collusion. Collusion. Collusion.
     
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    Sorry you seem to be lacking any evidence for your accusations. You have transcripts of their meetings and quid pro quo evidence right?
     
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    She also admitted to meeting with Fusion GPS prior to the Trump Tower meeting......:rolleyes:
    (Hint: Opposition research isn't a crime.)
    (Hint: Fabricating a FISA warrant is however.)
     
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    So one could say she was working hand and glove with the Fusion and her funders Hillary/DNC.
     
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    Like that actually matters.
     
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    The people with actual access to the facts ruled no collusion, they wouldn't do that lightly to be overruled by Mueller months later. Mueller is going to need to dig some **** out of the bottom of a barrel to get Trump, but you all knew this all along. You guys were basically praying for Trump to say something under oath untruthful so you could nail him, that's how much evidence you have of actual collusion.
     
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    To those of us who are not delusional, yes.
    Curious as to what is going to occur when the Mueller investigation returns zero results and your entire world is shattered.
     
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    Some of the people who had access to the facts. Emphasis on some.

    For someone who hells at every turn that he is innocent, he sure goes out of his way to sound guilty.
     
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    It's quite amazing how Trump's supporters defend him no matter how much light shines on his family's misdeeds. Each time a scandal comes to light, they repeat the mantra "this is good for Trump".
     
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    The HIC saying they didnt' find anything is akin to the Muppets saying they couldn't find Jim Henson's hand up their backside. That wasn't the unanimous among the whole HIC, just the Right leaning ones. It also appears they failed to actually investigate too.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/hous...-russia-investigation-before-ending-it-2018-3
     
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    So Rep Conaway, head of the HIC didn't know about Veselnitskaya being an informant. Kind of hard to investigate when you don't have all the information to investigate.
     
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    Serious question. Do you want the republicans/conservatives to become a rump who can never win the presidency again? Because letting Trump off the hook constantly is the way to do that.
     
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    Well Trump's Co had like, 6 bankruptcies, and his supporters still hail him as a business genius.
    --- Post Merged, Apr 28, 2018 ---
    There is some dark comedy at play here also. Now the right wingers believe House investigations. Remember those other investigations of you-know-who? House Republicans investigated over and over again. Republicans closed their own investigations and the right wingers still refuse to swallow the truth.

    In this case right wingers won't even wait for the law enforcement investigation to conclude. If this were you-know-who they'd be crying the deep-state is protecting you-know-who.
     
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    We all know that the House Intelligence committee investigation was flawed, that Nunes limited it to the point of irrelevance and that his goal all along was to clear Trump. Just think about it - a presidential campaign might have colluded with a hostile foreign government to influence the election, and Nunes would rather protect Trump's butt than find out the truth. Sounds treasonous to me.

    And yes, no collusion has been proven...except for the collusion we already know about. I've asked this many times and no Trumpster here has even attempted to answer it, so I'll repeat myself:

    If there was no collusion, why did Trump people lie about having the Trump Tower meeting (until the facts came out) and then lie about the purpose of the meeting (until the facts came out)?
     
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    Direct testimony from the House investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election (discussing the Trump Tower meeting with Russian spy lawyer Natalya Veselnitskaya):

    Collusion. Collusion. Collusion.
     
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    Here's the democratic response.

    It's a little friendlier on the eyes, and doesn't look like it was transmitted through a low quality fax machine.

    https://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/20180322/108023/HRPT-115-2.pdf

    "The Majority’s actions have, at this stage, deprived the Committee and country of a credible and thorough investigation."
     
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    She got the info from Fusion GPS to approach the Trump team with. Of all the people in all the world, she got info from the organization hired to get dirt on Trump. You don’t find that a little suspicious?
     
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    Where did you get the "stated purpose of the meeting"? According to the emails released by Donald Trump Jr. the meeting was set up specifically so they could meet with a "Russian government lawyer" who had dirt on HRC. Doesn't the story go that she promised dirt on HRC but then showed up and started going on about the Magnitsky Act?
     
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    I think you mean Gates
     
  24. ChrisWB thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Thank you, I edited my original post.

    Manafort's trial is in July and he has pled Not Guilty, but it doesn't look good for him since Gates flipped and the FBI has Manafort's documents.
     

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