Salvation Army bans Duggar cult’s ‘retreat’ that promoted arranged marriages for teen girls

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Un****ing believable. I thought **** like this only happened with the religion of peace.

A Christian retreat for Quiverfull fathers to marry off their teen daughters has been cancelled after Raw Story readers expressed concerns that the event constitutes human trafficking and contacted the Salvation Army which owns the campground where that retreat was scheduled to be held in Wichita.

Quiverfull patriarch, Vaughn Ohlman, organized a “Get Them Married” retreat for the purpose of providing a weekend where ultra-conservative Christian fathers could network with like-minded families “(and their unmarried young men and women) who are committed to young, fruitful marriage and to help them overcome the barriers which have kept their children unmarried.”

The Raw Story article sparked outrage among readers and many were moved to action, demanding that authorities be notified in order to protect the children who were slated to be married off young for the purpose of procreating lots of babies for Jesus.

Readers discovered that Camp Hiawatha, where the retreat was planned to be held, is owned by the Salvation Army. I contacted a good friend who is a officer at the Salvation Army’s training school in Chicago, and she responded right away to let me know the Wichita corps has already denied access to Ohlman’s group for what would have amounted to a child trafficking “retreat.”
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I take it uyou have never seen the purity balls? where daughters pledge their virginity to their fathers?
 
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It's not often at all that I'll congratulate the Salvation Army, but well done to them.

This type of crap is just brainwashing and indoctrination of the worst kind. I genuinely pity anyone involved and the fact they are so naive and gullible.

One day we'll finally be able to move beyond the fallacy of religion and all the harm it does - just not in our lifetimes.
 
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Welcome To The Bizarre And Beautiful World Of Purity Balls

For those unfamiliar with the ritual, a purity ball is a religious ceremony in which fathers and daughters dress up in ball gown attire, spend a night of dinner and dancing together, and end the evening with a vow to abstain from sex until marriage. As photographer David Magnusson explains in “Purity,” a photography book on the subject: “The girls make a pledge to ‘remain pure and live pure lives before God,’ to stay sexually abstinent until marriage. Their fathers sign a commitment undertaking to protect their daughter’s purity.
Magnusson had been fascinated by this traditional rite — so much so that he embarked on his photographic endeavor to document the fathers and daughters who together take the vow.

Of course, there’s a lot to take issue with regarding concepts that govern a purity ball. As Flavorwire’s Tom Hawking put it, “it’s hard to know where to start with this: the notion of sex as ‘impurity,’ the fact that it’s all daughters and no sons, the idea of dressing a preteen girl in something that looks awfully like a wedding dress.

When we teach girls that their virginity makes them special and valuable, we’re sending the simultaneous message that without their virginity they are tainted and damaged,” The Guardian’s Jessica Valenti wrote.
 

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It's not often at all that I'll congratulate the Salvation Army, but well done to them.

This type of crap is just brainwashing and indoctrination of the worst kind. I genuinely pity anyone involved and the fact they are so naive and gullible.

One day we'll finally be able to move beyond the fallacy of religion and all the harm it does - just not in our lifetimes.
The day we move beyond religion is the day we move beyond reality shows, since those seem to have a similar effect...
 

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I thought purity balls meant something else.

"who are committed to young, fruitful marriage and to help them overcome the barriers which have kept their children unmarried.”

I would think the crack pot religion is what kept normal dudes away from their daughters.
 
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steve knight

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I thought purity balls meant something else.

"who are committed to young, fruitful marriage and to help them overcome the barriers which have kept their children unmarried.”

I would think the crack pot religion is what kept normal dudes away from their daughters.
I have seen questionnaires that the boys have to fill out before daddy will let them ask daddy to court the daughter. Some of the more famous fundies have real trouble selling I mean marring their daughters as no one is good enough. Couples can't be by themselves they can't kiss side hugs and constant chaperone.
 

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the main guy in this has had some pretty good posts going on that are now private.

1) The ‘youth’ ready for marriage has breasts. A woman who is to be married is one who has breasts; breasts which signal her readiness for marriage, and breasts who promise enjoyment for her husband. (We believe that ‘breasts’ here stand as a symbol for all forms of full secondary sexual characteristics.)

2) The ‘youth’ ready for marriage is ready to bear children. Unlike modern society Scripture sees the woman as a bearer, nurser, and raiser of children. The ‘young woman’ is the woman whose body is physically ready for these things, physically mature enough to handle them without damage.

3) The 'youth' ready for marriage is one who is ready for sexual intercourse sexually and emotionally. Her desire is for her husband, and she is ready to rejoice in him physically.

Bride price: What is it, and why is it important? Wouldn't a bride price be like selling your daughter? A "bride price" is anything paid or given by the man or his representative at the time of his betrothal or receiving his bride.

Scripture certainly teaches about it, but it is not mandated, however, except in the case of a couple of laws. The law concerning bride price (Exodus 22:16-17) indicates that part of the punishment for fornication with an unbetrothed woman is the payment of a "standard" bride price for virgins, indicating that the bride price was a normal part of the marriage process.

The bride price plays a significant function: It shows the woman's value, and the point isn’t that the father gets the money but that he keeps it for his daughter, if her husband should ever abandon her.