Same Sex Couple Upset with Hospital's Treatment

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by bradl, Aug 20, 2012.

  1. bradl macrumors 68040

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    This is why we need same sex marriage legal in this country. Honestly. Replace me and my SO with either of these two, and "gay" with "interracial", and we would have the same situation, especially since we went through the same thing 5 years ago.

    Same Sex Couple in Henderson Upset with Hospital's Treatment

    BL.
     
  2. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Yep- and people wonder why we won't settle for less.
     
  3. niuniu macrumors 68020

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    Disappointed that they won't fight the policy.
     
  4. Grey Beard macrumors 65816

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    While we have 'civil unions' and are soon to have a same sex marriage debated in our parliament, I don't actually know how that issue would be covered in NZ.

    KGB:confused:
     
  5. NickZac macrumors 68000

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    You'de think we would have realized by now that the ole' "separate but equal" just doesn't work...
     
  6. Coleman2010 macrumors 68000

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    Agreed
     
  7. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a

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    Oh everyone does realize...that is why people on one side want to keep things separate and unequal, while the other side calls for abolishment of that separation.

    Civil union stuff is an attempt by politicians to either placate one group while not totally offending the other, or an attempt to make things a bit better knowing that they cannot get everything they want at the moment. It's rather ridiculous and equally ridiculous that such obvious inequity exist and takes so long to resolve. All merely because of the gender of the two people involved.
     
  8. radiogoober macrumors 6502a

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    While I whole-heartedly agree with gay marriage, this ignorant couple should have been aware of the law before hand and secured power-of-attorney once they decided to commit their lives to each other. You can't blame the hospital for this gay couple's ignorance. Please quite blaming 3rd parties, when it is the 1st parties fault!
     
  9. vega07 macrumors 65816

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    How can you blame the couple when our system has been against them from the beginning? Very few people even know what power of attorney is.

    Instead of the blame game, let's use this story to shed some light on the necessity of real change.

    :)
     
  10. radiogoober macrumors 6502a

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    No. We blame the gay couple. It is not the hospitals fault that they are ignorant. The hospital cannot just let some person who claims to be the legal partner dictate the patient's outcome. Do you know how liable they are? If they don't have the legal documentation in line, then there is no way the hospital will bend. There are ways to get that kind of paperwork done quickly. This is clearly the gay couple's fault, and for a media outlet to word this as if the hospital did wrong is attrocious liberal ****.
     
  11. FreeState, Aug 20, 2012
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    Do oposite sex married couples have to show their marriage license to the hospital? This couple has a domestic partnership - which the state they are in grants with all the same benefits of marriage. Why should the gay couple have to do things differently than opposite sex couples? The law is supposed to cover them equally.

    Edite to add:

    http://aclunv.org/node/239

     
  12. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Hey- this couple was told their domestic partnership would cover these things by STATE LAW. This is not their fault. They did what they were supposed to do.
     
  13. Happybunny macrumors 68000

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    This is why civil unions are not the same as marriage and should never be accepted as an alternative.

    When the Netherlands passed the same sex marriage laws in 2001, it was just this kind of crap that they were seeking to stop happening.
     
  14. Andeavor macrumors 6502

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    Are you for real?
     
  15. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    4 serious?

    This is obviously the hospitals fault.
     
  16. niuniu macrumors 68020

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    Read the article before posting. Married couples do not have to get this sort of 'documentation' (power of attorney). The only thing atrocious here is your comprehension.
     
  17. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a

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    What is ignorant here, is your logic. If that was really a concern of the hospital, then they would require EVERYONE to show proof of relationship. Straight couples would have to prove they were really married, parents would have to prove they were really the kids parent, kids would have to prove that that incapacitated elderly person really was their parent. Powers of attorney for everyone!!! But they don't require that. Only the gays are singled out. WHY???? Discrimination, plain and simple.

    The hospital could have easily handled this the same way they handle straight couples. But they didn't. So the blame is on them.
     
  18. NickZac macrumors 68000

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    I think it is an attempt at compromise but on a topic in which any sort of compromise results in the oppression of civil and human rights...some people may actually intend this, where as others probably do it unintentionally. Where as there can and should be compromise on many things, such as taxes, voting laws, school infrastructure investment, a compromise on legal rights for Americans that vary by gender, race, sexuality, disability, etc., is flat out dangerous. This originally resulted in a nation in which half "owned" other human beings while the other half did not, and damn near tore the country apart...and from then even through modern time, racial equality has been a tough road for Black Americans. It has largely been hindered by the concept that facilities and services could be divided by race and somehow be equal. In reality, Black Americans got the **** end of the stick while many people somehow believed (or at least asserted) that the separate but equal was actually both equitable and equal.

    General speaking, people form memories into different groups as a mechanism of categorizing and storing "internal data". However, we don't work well with nominal level data, and because of this, we often quantify, pair, and rank things. The problem arises that we sometimes attempt to do this to things that really cannot be ranked. Next thing you know, some sort of (possibly subconscious) hierarchical sorting results in different treatment (i.e.: a violation of civil rights), and that is why "separate but equal" has never worked and will never work. Things like religion, age, gender, sexuality, race/ethnicity, disability, etc. cannot be ordered, cannot be ranked, and cannot be quantified, yet most of history has indeed ranked and prioritized using these demographic traits. And today it is very obvious that this (flawed) logic is causing great harm to same sex couples.
     
  19. chrono1081 macrumors 604

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    You do realize its the HOSPITAL who was ignorant right? They didn't abide by the law.

    The couple did nothing wrong.

    This part: "That law states: "Domestic partners have the same rights, protections and benefits, and are subject to the same responsibilities, obligations and duties under law, whether derived from statutes, administrative regulations, court rules, government policies, common law or any other provisions or sources of law, as are granted to and imposed upon spouses."


    Proves the hospital is in the wrong.
     
  20. NickZac macrumors 68000

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    Take it a step further...not only was what the hospital did legally wrong, but it was most certainly morally wrong as well.
     

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