Same sex marriage to become legal in Germany

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Way to go Deutschland! Better late than never. And it was a surprisingly quick process too. Unfortunately, Merkel voted no. What a shame.

BERLIN — When Sarah Kermer proposed to her girlfriend in March, she knew she was in love, but she did not know when, if ever, Germany would allow them to marry.

The answer came early Friday morning, when the lower house of the German Parliament voted to legalize same-sex marriage after a brisk but emotional debate, prompting Ms. Kermer and scores of other gay and lesbian Germans to celebrate in the streets.

“I was at work, and I just started crying,” Ms. Kermer, 25, said as she and her fiancée left a spontaneous gathering at the Brandenburg Gate in central Berlin. “I was watching the decision on live-stream, and I cried — a lot. This has all happened just so fast.”

The historic decision came with a swiftness rare in Germany’s usually staid politics, just five days after Chancellor Angela Merkel unexpectedly relaxed her party’s opposition to same-sex marriage and allowed lawmakers to vote on the issue according to their consciences.

Ms. Merkel’s softened resistance opened the way for her coalition partners in the Social Democratic Party and two other political groups to press for a vote on the measure, which had previously been blocked by Ms. Merkel’s Christian Democrats and their conservative allies. Ms. Merkel voted against the measure on Friday, but many of her party colleagues voted in favor, allowing it to pass easily — 393 votes in favor and 226 against, with four abstentions.
With the passage of the measure, Germany will join Ireland, France, Spain and other nations in extending full marital rights to same-sex couples, including the right to adopt children.

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why would Merkel vote no? surprised it's not legal in all of Europe.
She's the daughter of a protestant pastor, she is a a reasonably devout protestant christian, she is the leader of a christian democratic party in an actually quite conservative country. It's nto that surprising she voted no, is it?

(She is also a canny politician, one may suppose she was confident the vote would pass, and could thus vote no with little risk to the vote itself, but with the hop it would cement her power as leader of said conservative christian party.)

Or maybe she just doesn't agree with same sex marriage.
 
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Germans are fairly conservative. People in the state of Bavaria a bit more conservative. Austrians are more conservative than both. They've been pushing aside extra rights for quite a long time now.

Unfortunately, Merkel voted no. What a shame.
You seem surprised. She's always stated she's a Christian and conservative. Though some here in America would peg her as an ultra liberal. LOL CDU members are always behind the times. Her opinions have hardly changed since she began politics.
 
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Way to go Germany.
Surprised the whole EU doesn't already recognize same sex marriage.
I honestly thought all of Europe had legalized it a long time ago. But I guess it shouldn't be surprising since it wasn't that long ago that Europe was just as conservative as the US if not more so.
 
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There has been some kind of legal binding possible for some years, so the push for full marriage was not as strong as in countries with no such rights.

The real question is, did Merkel plan this or was she just unprepared when the she was asked in that interview.

Her answer was that it was up to every MP and not bound to a coalition rule at which point it was 100% clear that it would get a vast majority.
 

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There has been some kind of legal binding possible for some years, so the push for full marriage was not as strong as in countries with no such rights.

The real question is, did Merkel plan this or was she just unprepared when the she was asked in that interview.

Her answer was that it was up to every MP and not bound to a coalition rule at which point it was 100% clear that it would get a vast majority.
I assume she went for it because it's election year and she actually has viable challengers.
 
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The real question is, did Merkel plan this or was she just unprepared when the she was asked in that interview.
It had been discussed with senior leaders of her party. This is actually typical for Merkel; she knows that this will become an election issue after every plausible coalition partner pledged to make progress on this matter a condition for future coalitions. The judiciary has been tightening the noose anyway – sooner rather than later, the Constitutional Court would have made the decision for them.

Germans are fairly conservative.
Polls suggested that a majority of voters has been supportive of same-sex marriage for years. It was solely due to the hegemony of the Christian Democrats that no progress was made in parliament. This week’s bill was lying on the shelf for quite some time and likely would have never reached the plenary stage at all.

Even in the Netherlands, same-sex marriage only happened when the Christians were, for the first time in their history, not in the coalition.