Samsung (aka the Korean CopyShop) has done it again!!

Discussion in 'Mac mini' started by BlueParadox, Jun 1, 2012.

  1. BlueParadox, Jun 1, 2012
    Last edited: Jun 3, 2012

    BlueParadox macrumors 6502

    Sep 3, 2010
    Melbourne, Australia
  2. philipma1957, Jun 1, 2012
    Last edited: Jun 1, 2012

    philipma1957 macrumors 603


    Apr 13, 2010
    Howell, New Jersey
  3. radiogoober macrumors 6502a

    Jun 7, 2011
    Samsung is shameless. That is so blatant. If you put that in low-light I bet not even their designers could tell the difference.
  4. Richdmoore macrumors 68000


    Jul 24, 2007
    Troutdale, OR
    I played with chrome (or chromium, I forgot which) using parallels on my iMac. Overall, it would be ok for a web kiosk, or someone who was not tech savvy enough to want a real computer. (Web tv 2012?)

    For those of us on this web site, it is pretty much useless.

    I can see people buying the chromebox to hack it as htpc's though.
  5. Dhelsdon macrumors 65816


    Feb 5, 2010
    Canadian Eh!
    What a piece of junk, not sure who'd even buy that.. I hope Samsung gets raped in court.
  6. philipma1957, Jun 2, 2012
    Last edited: Jun 2, 2012

    philipma1957 macrumors 603


    Apr 13, 2010
    Howell, New Jersey
  7. DrakkenWar macrumors 6502


    Nov 7, 2010
    San Antonio,Texas

    Pathetic rip-off is an understatement! And what an abhorrent hodge-podge of utter rot stuffed into it! I agree with the last linked article. If all you want is a simple surfing computer, if you have any fortitude you can build one for a few hundred bones that will be miles ahead of this poor excuse for a step ahead in technology.
    As far as I concerned, I will happily keep my mini, and if I am ever given one of these little trash boxes? Well, I have been looking for a new doorstop for my office, the california winds are brutal this time of year.
  8. philipma1957 macrumors 603


    Apr 13, 2010
    Howell, New Jersey
    yeah you can get a good mobo for 100 a good cpu for 125 a nice 256gb ssd for 200 on a sale ram for 50 and a small case with a built in psu for 100. you are at 575. the build will smack around most any mac mini. cut the corner on the ssd and just get 64gb one sale for 65 and you are down to 440 .

    cut the corner on a mobo cpu combo for 150 you drop to 365. i can build a nice piece of gear for that price. yet this pos was the numer one seller on amazon. i wonder if people are trying to use it at a one for each tv in the house concept.
  9. balamw Moderator


    Staff Member

    Aug 16, 2005
    New England
    This seems about as wrong a combination of features/price as the Logitech Revue (Google TV) or the Boxee Box when they first came out.

    As the guy in EETimes said, this kind of think screams to be ARM based just for cost. Basically an Apple TV with a bit more RAM and storage.

  10. philipma1957 macrumors 603


    Apr 13, 2010
    Howell, New Jersey
    Yeah you would be better off with 2010 mac mini refurbs as dvr/htpcs then this piece of gear.

    add some ram to this a cheap ssd and it smokes the samsung.
  11. Poki macrumors 65816


    Mar 21, 2012
    LOL, can't their designers think for themselves? I mean there are 1000s of possibilities on how to design a unit with such weak power. Asus did it, Dell did it quite nice and now Samsung... well, they didn't it. It doesn't even look nice...
  12. boomboom2 macrumors regular

    Apr 12, 2012
    Why'd they only show a picture of the bottom? Other than the bottom they don't look alike. Tons of nettops are just little squares like that. I guess if they'd made the bottom opening square instead it'd be fine? Both of my Sammy monitors have circle openings on the back. That must have been a copy of Apple as well.
  13. Poki macrumors 65816


    Mar 21, 2012
    Oh, haven't looked for the rest. ^^

    But yeah, Samsung once even copied the iPhone power supply, so the hate has some reason...
  14. Dreamkatcha macrumors regular


    Mar 17, 2003
    Manchester, England
    I wonder if Samsung are now making keyboards for Asda. ;)

    I played with one in my local store over the weekend and surprisingly the quality is pretty good.
  15. Ice Dragon macrumors 6502a

    Ice Dragon

    Jun 16, 2009
    There is only one Jony Ive and only one Apple. You can have the best or you can settle for second best.
  16. Cisco_Kid macrumors 6502


    Apr 24, 2005
    British Columbia
    You guys need to stop getting your knickers in a twist...

    "Imitation is the sincerest of flattery."
  17. Jazper macrumors 6502a

    Jun 16, 2012
    And who would buy that? Apple put time and effort into designing new products and then competitors just copy them...

    It's funny because even if the Chromebox had the same specs it still wouldn't be competition against Apple's Mac Mini... Shame on Samsung.
  18. seek3r macrumors 6502

    Aug 16, 2010
    I can fanboy as much as the next guy but.. really? You could say the same thing about Dieter Rams and Apple

    Worth a read for you I think
  19. philipma1957, Jun 16, 2012
    Last edited: Jun 16, 2012

    philipma1957 macrumors 603


    Apr 13, 2010
    Howell, New Jersey
    If the chrome box had the same specs(plus good price) as the mac mini it would do well.

    No machine is the minis size and power. If a small machine is needed the mac is king.

    But lots of buyers hate mac and would jump on a chromebox that had proper testicles or gonads to be politically correct.

    The truth is the this is a P O S wanna be due to it having bs osx and no real computing power.

    Below is the most powerful small machine you can't buy it till november. HT Series/

    this is smaller foot print but taller looks like the old school mini

    see review below

    this is what is big in the review:

    The industrial design is the same as that of the Vision 3D series, but the internals have undergone some major rework. We were expecting ASRock to use one of the Kepler GPUs for this model, but they sprang a surprise by going in for the AMD 7850M. Initial specifications indicate that it should have as much capability as a desktop 7750 or more likely, a desktop HD 5770 (it is more of a very underclocked desktop 7770 from hardware and clock specifications). This should enable ASRock to provide much better gaming performance (as much as double the performance of the Vision 3D 252B's GT540M). However, the TDP of the 7850M is much higher (ASRock indicated 45W) than the 540M used in current generation Vision 3D. This results in the power adapter for the VisionX being rated for 120W instead of 90W. Another interesting aspect is that ASRock seems to have gone against AMD's recommended 2GB of VRAM for the 7850M and settled for 1GB. We are not sure yet as to how that will affect the performance of the unit in gaming scenarios. All the other aspects (including the bigger volume) of the Vision HT series are carried over. The VisionX series currently appears to be a slam dunk for a power-packed mini-ITX PC, and we can't wait to get our hands on them to put it through the paces. The full hardware specifications are provided in the table below:

    ASRock VisionX Series
    CPU Intel Mobile Ivy Bridge Processors (Dual Core i3/i5/i7)
    Chipset Mobile Intel HM77 Chipset
    Memory 8 GB DDR3 1600 MHz (2 x 4GB)
    Supports DDR3-1600/1333/1066 with 2 x SO-DIMM (16 GB Max)
    VGA AMD Radeon HD7850M (1 GB GDDR5 VRAM)
    Storage 750 GB HDD
    Supports 2nd 2.5" SATA Drive
    mSATA SSD Supported
    ODD BD Combo / DVD Super Multi
    Front I/O 2 x USB 3.0, 1 x Mic, 1 x Headphone, 4-in-1 Card Reader
    Rear I/O 1 x HDMI 1.4a, 1 x DVI-I (Dual-link), 2 x USB 3.0, 4 x USB 2.0, 1 x eSATA2, 1 x SPDIF
    LAN Gigabit
    Audio 7.1 Ch HD Audio with THX TruStudio
    Wi-Fi 2T2R 802.11a/b/g/n Dual-Band
    Bluetooth 4.0/3.0 HS Class II
    Remote MCE Remote Controller
    Power Unit 120W/19V Adapter
    Dimensions / Volume 200mm x 70mm x 200mm (2.8L)

    graphics card will be a hd7850 will have an i7 option bluray and will cost a lot over 1k more like 1.5k maxxed out.
  20. MJL, Jun 17, 2012
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2012

    MJL macrumors 6502a

    Jun 25, 2011
    I agree. But on the other hand: if I make something with four wheels then do I rip some car manufacturer off? If I make a pair off jeans then do I rip a jeans manufacturer off? If I make a TV with speakers at the sides do I rip some manufacturer off? ASrock has something small, Dell Zino was something small and there are only so many ways to farbicate something, it is not like it is something I would call "patent worthy".

    (warning: rant starting)
    One has to go back to why patents were initiated: this was to allow companies with a substantial investment in pharmaceuticals (which may take 10 or 20 years to develop) to recoup that investment. How much money was spend in creating the mac mini design? Not a billion or more dollars. (and that is about the minimum a company invests in developping a pharmaceutical)

    What all those who complain "its a rip-off" forget is that not every country in the world has the same social structure or social beliefs. Who gives the US the right to mandate that their social structure is the only one that is correct?

    If you go to China then you discover that 95% manufactured is a straight version of a US product. I've lived in Asia for a long time and I have seen the US citizens come to Thailand, Hong Kong and the Philippines with empty suitcases (or the minimum amount of clothes required) and loading up on reject Versace T-shirts, reject Gucci and Hermes bags where often the only thing wrong was a a wrong label or something else like some stitching not exactly right but easily fixable. All at a few US each.

    I've also seen them load up on blatant copies.

    Where are the ethics and morality in that?

    If you do not want those countries to rip you off or walk away with your ideas then why do you bring your manufacturing there? Why give them the know-how? Why educate their kids in your universities?

    You are seeing a depression and have you EVER wondered why? It is the same as in the 1930's: In the 1930's the telephone had come of age and the automobile transport had come of age. Both started around the turn of the century. Then manufacturers shifted their factories away from the cities (ie consumer base) to the provinces so it was cheaper to make (cheaper land, cheaper labour). Once all the factories had subsidaries in the provinces the builders of those factories ran out of new factories to build.

    Ah well a bit of a downturn in consumption. Lets close the factory in the city because the new one is more economical and can cope with the extra load.
    More people down the street and the consumer base in the city had less spending power again. So demand dropped and people in the provinces were laid off. Full blown depression.

    Same story today: internet (communication), air travel and container shipping. You put the consumer base out of a job and you expect them to have the same spending power?

    It is the greed of the manufacturers who have created this.

    And now you are going to cry foul on behalf of these manufacturers that have put you out of a job? Who have exported the labourforce to some third world country who are working for a pittance 16 hours / day / 7 days / week? You feel sorry for someone who is putting the people locally on the street?
    You feel sorry for a company who cannot manufacture in your own country because health and environmental regulations would not allow them to manufacture it because of the pollution and health issues?

    You want to compete salary wise with someone in the backwaters of China working for 100 US / month?

    AND WHO DID THIS TO YOU AND WHOM ARE YOU PROTECTING? Those greedy manufacturers? You think Apple has gotten to where they are today by being nice and following the regulations?

    (rant over)
  21. Ice Dragon macrumors 6502a

    Ice Dragon

    Jun 16, 2009
    I agree although I guess where I'd say things differ is that Apple and Braun weren't making the same products. I understand where you are coming from though.

    Funnily enough, I am also sort of a Samsung fanboy as well. The RAM I'm using is Samsung (and I refuse to use any other brand even though people say Corsair or Crucial works just fine) and my SSD is Samsung.

    I am even considering a Samsung camera, although that may be pushing it.
  22. LaWally macrumors 6502a

    Feb 24, 2012
    Doesn't look anything like the Mac-mini to me, The Mac-mini sits flat, these stand on their edge. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Apple will be killing off the Mac-mini.
  23. Poki macrumors 65816


    Mar 21, 2012
    Why do you think they would kill the Mini? It would be totally stupid to kill it. Yeah, it would make even more sense to kill the Mac Pro than the Mac Mini, since it's the only consumer-desktop in the Mac line-up.
  24. blackhand1001 macrumors 68030


    Jan 6, 2009
    I know right. And its not even the same size as the mini.


    Hardly a copy. Every htpc ever made has been in a similar form factor. The circle opening is designed that way because thats how micro itx boards are mounting and thats the easiest way to give access to the ram.
  25. SR45 macrumors 65832


    Aug 17, 2011
    Just flapping your mouth or do you have a link that shows us that Apple will kill it off.

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