Sarah Palin Sent by God to Infiltrate Politics, Education, the Economy

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  1. jplan2008 macrumors regular

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    I don't agree with criticizing a candidate merely for something his or her pastor says or does.

    And, yes, we should focus on McCain, but this is TERRIFYING. I guess this is why she "didn't blink." If God says she's ready, why blink? And way to shatter that glass ceiling, extolling a guy who doesn't just try to roll us back 50 years, he's going for 500.

    This isn't "just" the case of a witch-hunting pastor, who actively leads the call for persecution and murder of women, speaking at Palin's Church and saying bad things. This is the case of this witch-hunting pastor STANDING OVER and TOUCHING Sarah Palin, saying she was sent by God to infiltrate politics, education, the economy, and Sarah Palin later EXTOLLING the pastor, her experience, AND what he said.

    Here is Sarah Palin describing the pastor and her experience, if you haven't seen it:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8twqZpUT2NQ&feature=related

    Here is the video of the anointment she describes, with the transcript below (my emphasis):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ccmRuCpFjY&feature=related

    Thomas Muthee
    October 11, 2005

    In a moment, I’ll be asking you that we pray for Sarah, and I’ll tell you the reason why. When we talk about transformation of a community, we are talking about God invading seven areas in our society. Let me repeat that one more time. When we talk about transformation of a society, a community, it’s where we see God’s Kingdom infiltrate, influence seven areas in our society.

    Number one is the spiritual aspect of our society. Mainly, the church for a long has just concentrated on that dimension, whereby we simply want people saved, we want them to go to heaven, we want them delivered, and that’s it. But I’ll tell you something: if all we do is come to the church and get people saved and then they go, I don’t think much will happen in our society.

    So the second area whereby God wants to penetrate in our society is in the economic area. The Bible says the wealth of the wicked is stored up for the righteous. It is high time that we have top Christian businessmen, businesswomen, bankers, you know, who are men and women of integrity, running the economics of our nations. That’s what we are waiting for. That’s part and parcel of transformation. If you look at the Israelites, you know, that’s how they won. And that’s how they are, even today. When we will see that, you know, the talk transport us in the lands. We see, you know, the bankers. We see the people holding the paths. They are believers. We will not have the kind of corruption that we are hearing in our societies.

    So we go to the third area, it’s in the area of politics. Tell your neighbor, “politics.” Do you know what I discovered? This is funny. The people who actually split churches, they have the gift of politics, but they are exercising it in the wrong place. That’s what I came to know. There are people who are wired to politics because God wants to take the political, you know, dimension of our societies. And those people should be prayed for. That’s why I was, you know, I was so glad to see Sarah here. We should pray for her, we should back her up. And, you know, come the day of voting, we should be there, not just praying, we should be there. And I’m saying this because that’s what I’m telling our church. I’m telling them that we need this in Parliament. In here is what you call Congressmen, you know, you know, the, the Governors, we need the bretheren right inside there. Is anybody hearing me?

    You know, because who will change the laws of the lands? The problem is do we just pray, but we do nothing about it. If the believers had not done something in this country, your president would not be in office today. Yes or no? Am I right?

    Number three, or number four, it’s the area of education. We need believers who are educationists. If we had them, today we would not be talking about the Ten Commandments being kicked out of the church, I mean out of our schools. They would still be there. One of the things that you, you know, I would love you to know, I’m a child of revival of the Seventies, and that revival swept through the schools. They are open to preaching, you know, open. Open. Wide open. You go to any school, there is what we call Christian Union. Christian Union is nothing more but a bunch of kids that are born again, spirit-filled, tongue-talking, devil-casting. Is anybody hearing me? All over the country! Is anybody hearing me?

    We need God taking over our education system! Otherwise, we, if we have God in our schools, we will not have kids being taught, you know, how to worship Buddha, how to worship Mohammed, we will not have in the curriculum witchcraft and sorcery. Is anybody hearing me?

    The other area is in the area of media. We need believers in the media. We need God taking over the media in our lands. Otherwise we will not have all the junk coming out of, you know, coming out of the media. And not only that, we need God t___ [period of silence in video]. Why can’t we have our living church in Hollywood? Guess what will happen. If we have a living church right in Hollywood, we would not have all the kind of pornography that we are having. Is anybody hearing me?

    And the last area is in the area of government. Hello? We need believers there. We need men and women of integrity. You know, as the Secretaries of State. We need them right there. People that are born again, spirit filled, people who know God, and people who are serious with God.

    So in a moment if you do not mind, I’ll ask, you know, even before I go to do this thing, you know, I’ll ask Sarah, would you mind to come please? Would you mind? Come, please. Let’s all stand up, and let’s hold hands all over this house. Come, Pastor, come.

    [Sarah Palin comes to the stage in front of the congregation. Sarah Palin bows her head stretches her forearms forward and places the palms of her hands upward. Thomas Muthee lays hands on Sarah Palin’s head. Pastor Ed Kalnin and unidentifed man lay hands on Sarah Palin’s shoulders.]


    Thank you, Jesus. Let’s all pray. Let’s pray for Sarah. Hallelujah! Come on, hold your hands up and raise them. Hold them and raise them up here! Come on, talk to God about this woman! Come on, talk to God about this woman we declare favor from today. We say favor, favor, favor! We say praise my God! We say grace to be rained upon her in the name of Jesus. My God, you make your judgement, you make room. You make ways in the desert, and I’m asking you today, we are asking you as the body of Christ in this valley, make a way for Sarah, even in the [inaudible]. Make her way my God. Bring finances her way, even in the campaign in the name of Jesus, and above all give her the personnel, give her men and women that will back her up in the name of Jesus. We want righteousness in this state. We want righteousness in this nation. Because you say [inaudible] in the name of Jesus. Our Father, use her to turn this nation the other way around. Use her to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children and the hearts of the children to the fathers so that the curse that has been there long can be broken. In the name of Jesus. Father, we thank you today. We come in the hindrance of the enemy, standing in her way to there. In the name of Jesus, in the name of Jesus! Every form of witchcraft, it will be rebuked in the name of Jesus. Father, make her way now. In Jesus’ name, Amen.

    Let’s all be seated.

    [Sarah Palin returns to her seat.]

    Sarah Palin was in attendance. After the electioneering sermon, Sarah Palin actively received Muthee’s blessing for her campaign. Sarah Palin is asking for a lot from American voters. Sarah Palin is asking American voters to place her in position to be the President of the United States of America should the elderly John McCain die or be incapacitated.

    http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2008/09/23/transcript-of-thomas-muthees-sermon-endorsing-sarah-palin/
     
  2. floyde macrumors 6502a

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    Dear God :eek: Oh wait... :p

    I think that perhaps humanity is about to enter Dark Ages 2.0, courtesy of the United States of Jesus Christ :(

    (crosses fingers for Obama)
     
  3. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    The concept of "the Ten Commandments being kicked out of the church" made me think of the old joke, where Moses comes down from the mountain to address his followers. "I have some good news and some bad news," he tells them. "The good news is I whittled Him down to ten. The bad news is, adultery is still in."
     
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    It is of the utmost importance that this woman get nowhere near the White House. This is absolutely terrifying. :mad:
     
  5. atszyman macrumors 68020

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    Come on, We know that the real problem of the last 8 years is not enough God in politics. Look how well that it works in the Middle East. :eek:
     
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    Separation of Church and State is the biggest joke in US politics. It simply isn't true currently, although I wish it were.
     
  7. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    This nutcase made his name in Kenya accusing women of being witches and driving women from their towns under fear of death. Olbermann mentioned it on Countdown the other night.

    You want to be really scared, watch this video.
     
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    That's a keeper! My mission is to fit that into the pub conversation this weekend. :)
     
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    Reminds me of the churches my mother would send me to in my teens.
    these people are kooky.
     
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    I see nothing wrong with God in politics. However. and this is A BIG HOWEVER.

    Remember that statement please.


    What society sees as "Christians" e.g Sarah Palin , George Bush etc..

    THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT CHRISTIANS.

    They are the spirit of the Anti-Christ.

    Jesus does not tell real Christians to infiltrate the political realm to change things.

    In the bible he explicitly tells them to NOT do that.


    Do not fall into the trap they lay.

    They are evil. They lie,cheat and steal to push their agenda on a brainwashed public.



    [end religious rant]
     
  11. jplan2008 thread starter macrumors regular

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    Not sure I agree with no problem with God in politics, but irregulartimes gives examples of how Muthee/Palin aren't Christian:

    Besides the incompatibility of this plan with the Constitution of the United States of America, there’s a theological problem. The theoligcarchic Muthee-Palin plan for the economy ignores the doctrines of Christianity itself. The character of Jesus, who is supposed to be the absolute model of what it means to be a Christian, is described in the Bible as distinguishing between the realm of God and the realm of money, and emphasizing the importance of keeping them separate. Jesus said that what is Caesar’s and what is God’s must be separated - and that money was Caesar’s, not God’s.

    Jesus kicked the money changers out of the temple. He didn’t exhort the money changers to be his followers. He didn’t tell his followers to go infiltrate the ranks of the money changers to help the economy of Israel.

    Jesus told his followers to be like lilies of the field. He told them that it would be more difficult for a rich man to fit through the eye of a needle than to enter the kingdom of heaven. Jesus didn’t say “blessed are the money changers”.

    Thomas Muthee and Sarah Palin can’t even get their own religion right. How can we entrust Sarah Palin to reform the economy through faith-based banking?

    http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2008/09/25/palin-economic-plan-convert-bankers-to-christianity/
     
  12. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    Is God in politics a problem? The U.S. has always been a relatively religious nation, has been from the start, so I don't see this as necessarily being a good or a bad thing. It's simply a thing which is. But if a politician choses to wear their religious faith on their sleeve, then they certainly open themselves up to a judgement about whether they've lived as a true example of that faith.
     
  13. jplan2008 thread starter macrumors regular

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    EDIT: Is there ANY chance in hell (excuse the pun) that Obama would be the Candidate if there were video of the pastor standing over him and saying the comments he's been reviled for? Well, talking about racism, 9/11 being the result of US foreign policy, etc. aren't THAT radical. And they found everything the guy had ever said, and it wasn't related to Obama -- and the press still made a big deal about it.

    This guy had his hand on Pailin and mentioned WITCHCRAFT, and we have video of Palin praising that "anointment" and praising the pastor and his words that day.

    WITCHCRAFT and WITCH HUNTING are not merely some religious belief. They have severe consequences for women. Look at reports of what has happened in Africa with these witch hunters. Or anywhere. THIS is the first female candidate for VP? (since they conveniently forgot about Ferraro)


    Well, problem is an understatement.

    It's a problem if politicians make policy based on their particular religions' doctrines, rather than whatever moral teachings they take from their religions.

    It's a problem when politicians think they have been "chosen by God" to carry out tasks.

    It's a problem when they disagree with, and have been chosen by God to diminish, the Constitution of the United States of America. (now, yes, these were the words of the pastor, not her. But not only did she praise what he said, she made other comments relating to her "doing her part" as governor, and asking that congregation to "do their part" for "God's will to be done," then SPECIFICALLY mentioned a POLITICAL matter: "God's will must be done in creating the pipeline in Alaska" -- that is, THIS CHURCH, through prayer, was necessary to get the pipeline built.

    It is a particular problem when that politician wants to be second in line to be THE LEADER in defending and upholding the Constitution of the United States of America.

    It's a problem when that politician says what someone said was "great," when that person said Christians will rise up, and sorcery and witchcraft will be defeated.

    It's a problem when that person the politician praised also specifically mentioned various government positions that need to be INFILTRATED: congresspeople, governors, secretaries of state, etc.

    It's a problem when the politician talks about soldiers being on "a mission from God."

    And, , it's a problem when a candidate praises a witch-hunter, and specifically praises what he said as he was anointing her, and this witch hunter actually mentioned WITCHCRAFT while the witch hunter had his hand on that politician.

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    Now, while Wasilla is one of 200 cities that are part of her movement, here is some (more) evidence that she gets her religion involved in her politics.

    http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/18/palin_iacc/
     
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    Obama has it right when he says, it's fine to derive your morals from religion, it's fine to bring those morals into government, but if you can't manage to make a secular case for anything based on those morals, it shouldn't be part of government.

    Basically boiling down to, "Because God said so" is not a good enough reason to create a law or policy.
     
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    Tell that to the people we are complaining about. :rolleyes:
     
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    Well I don't know if this works for me precisely. I believe everyone deserves to be judged on the views they express -- religious, philosophical, political, or on whatever other basis they construct their ideas. I don't see the need for any special rules about ideas derived from religious faith, beyond what the Constitution provides. I think our particular problem with some religious people in politics is when they don't seem to practice the faith they profess.
     
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    Well non-religious ideals are already done in secular terms and a bad idea is simply a bad idea.

    The basic template is that you need a better reason for any sort of policy or law than "because X said so" whether X is God, Allah, Zeus, The FSM, or Brett Favre, you need a solid reason that can appeal to people of all and/or no faith as well.
     
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    That's a political calculation. I don't see any reason to vote for or against anyone just because they claim to be guided by a religious faith. What matters to me is what they say that faith guides them to do, and whether they actually do it.
     
  19. jplan2008 thread starter macrumors regular

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    Rules or no rules, we're talking about someone possibly one day having her hand on the trigger who supports a witch-hunter, who seems to believe that she was sent by God to infiltrate seven areas of society, who seems to believe that ONLY CHRISTIANS are righteous, and who believes she will see Armageddon in her lifetime (from other interviews). If that doesn't scare you, you're braver than I am.


    The issue isn't ideas derived from religious faith. The issue for me is the idea of POLICY decisions and APPOINTMENTS being guided by religious dogma.

    I'm not sure if we need more than the Constitution provides. The scary thing to me is that Bush appointed 2 Supreme Court justices and over 300 federal judges -- these are the ones that INTERPRET the constitution.

    I find these justices and judges worrisome enough. I cannot describe my fear that Palin would have any real influence for the next two justices and 300 judges.

    But my initial reaction was not calling for MORE rules, it was horror at hearing the actual words of this witch hunter, after having already seen Palin's praise for him.

    And the horror at the idea of being SENT BY GOD TO INFILTRATE. I guess to me there isn't much of a difference between being sent by God, and believing God is telling her EXACTLY what to do. I'd think that even people who believe that every word in the Bible is literally true would fear a President who is listening to what God says -- especially someone so stupid. What if she misinterprets the message?
     
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    I don't need bold print or capital letters to assist with my reading comprehension.

    OTOH, you might want to reread what I've written on this subject.
     
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    Sorry, the bold was in case my post seemed too long (for whomever), the bold was the short version.
     
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    Every time I see something about Sarah Palin's church, it reminds me of this:

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    Yes, she's scary.
     
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    There is no Separation of Church and State in the Constitution. There shall be no establishment of religion, however.
     
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    Not exactly, but more or less that was what Jefferson meant:
    Seems pretty clear to me.

    Wondering why people like you, and that oh so liberal MSM, haven't hammered this over and over again like with Rev. Wright. Oh, I forgot. IOIYAR. Dog bites man = no story. Man bites dog = story. Conservative preacher says something crazy, much like when another neocon gets caught in a sex scandal, just doesn't seem to be a story anymore. What does that say about you guys?
     

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