Sarkozy Wins

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  1. it5five macrumors 65816

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    In what way would the U.S. be better off had Royal won?

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    His bootlicking of the thuggish U.S. administration is indeed quite bothersome. However, I can't say I'm massively disappointed that he won.

    I have a feeling he'll be a net good for France and the world. Call me an optimist.
     
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    What?
     
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    Royal lost.
     
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    You're an optimist. I can't see any good coming of this. Trying to shove British style economic solutions down the throats of the French people is going to be a horrible mess. I've never been a fan of Chirac, but I've a horrible feeling he will be looking pretty good soon as Sarky gets up a head of steam.
     
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    I'll be more dramatic yet, (and sound old to boot), but losing the French way of life would be IMHO, a horrible loss for human civilization, not just France. Plus, what about my the house I was going to buy in 08, in the South of France? Without the lifestyle, it's not worth it, considering the pain of taxes, red tape and general expenses having a second home in that region entails. See how selfish I am :)? Seriously though, I do think the French have something unique, which would be a true tragedy to lose.

    Having said all that, though, something needs to be done about the economy and certain social problems. I'm not saying an Anglo-Saxon solution which goes against the grain of French culture, but darn it, the times, they are achanging, and ole France is not competitive now, and it'll only get worse in the future. It's not a hopeless economic basketcase (like f.ex. Italy), but they need some changes. Tax structure for one, is very poor. It kills innovation and motivation. Some adjustment of that is necessary. Plus many other things. Anyhow, I've had too much wine (French!), so I'm not too coherent right now. Off to bed.
     
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    i predict more race riots. i think it's going to get pretty ugly there.
     
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    An 85% turnout for the election. The French may have invented ennui, but Americans perfected it.
     
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    Who cares?
     
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    Americans have problems seeing beyond our own borders. I sort of did the same with the Blair thread. We can be kinda myopic at times.

    And yet another righty wins because the lefty isn't that great, quelle surprise. :rolleyes:
     
  13. it5five thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Royal would have been less likely to jump at the chance of getting closer with the US. We need more criticts around the world right now, not people to get cozy with.

    You do realize that France has a long history of Socialist candidates in power, right? And they offer some of the best welfare programs in the world, along with the best healthcare in the world, which also happens to be free. The workers in that country already enjoy some of the greatest benefits due to the work of previous French socialists.

    Just because Royal lost doesn't mean that all of that will dissapear. Sarkozy has already said he's not going to change the 35 hour work week; too many people have become accustomed to it, and enjoy it.

    In fact, I doubt you'll see any dramatic domestic changes under Sarkozy. The biggest changes will probably come in terms of foreign policy.
     
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    The trouble with the French is that they don't have a word for ennui.
     
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    Your cluelessness is astounding. Do you know anything about French history?
     
  16. it5five thread starter macrumors 65816

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    I'm beginning to think he doesn't know anything about history.
     
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    All they hear is conservative. Eventually we'll get back to remembering he's French and we'll hate him again. For some reason.

    In most other free countries I'd be considered a moderate, but here I'm regularly referred to as liberal. When we get back to having a Democratic leadership and I criticize them as I did Clinton, or call for a balanced budget, I'll probably be labeled a conservative. But simply wanting the gov to do it's job nowadays, and I'm an anti-capitalism, pot-smoking, tree-hugging, unpatriotic, troop hating, terrorist loving, hippy socialist. Even though I'm none of those. Quelle dommage.

    Having once saying socialism would lead to feudalism, while extolling the virtues of unbridled capitalism, I'd say non.
     
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    kinda reminds me when the bush administration rejoiced when Merkel won in germany only to have her on her first US visit criticize US policies especially on guantanamo

    he might be right of the spectrum, but so was Chirac and that didn't help did it ?

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    after all the conservative government here did no different despite being rather pro-american

    at the last US elections both big parties the conservatives and social-democrats sent their observers over and both sides attended the DNC while no side attended the RNC

    also i doubt that Sarkozy is somebody who easily says yes to some proposal from another country
    after all after the iraq war i somehow suspect that on the next such occasion a lot more countries will refuse to help the US
     
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    What those Americans celebrating Sarkozy's victory haven't yet realised is that his particular brand of conservatism is franco-centric. He will be standing up for French interests, not US ones.

    I suspect we'll be seeing more attitude clashes under his Presidency rather than less.

    Of course the main thing I hope is that he's not going to turn France into a collection of barricades as normally happens whenever economic change is proposed. For some reason the first place protestors always pick on are the Channel ports and tunnel, as if isolating the UK will help them get what they want.
     
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    I like it. :p


    Don't you mean "isolatimg the Continent"?
     
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    The youth of France are chronically underemployed. Their parents can retire young and will have extremely generous pensions. These policies lock the young out of the job market and will create a serious transition problem when their parents retire. France needs to raise the retirement age as well as allow more job flexibility.

    The last thing they need is a guerilla style war ala thatcher on the economy and state employees, however their current economic model is simply non viable.

    Sarkozy is pretty slimy just like Blair but Royals lack of understanding in regards to international politics would have been disastrous for France. At least le Pen didn't gain any ground this time around.
     

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