Scott Roeder in Court... Charming

mkrishnan

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/28/scott-roeder-abortion-doctor-killer

Guardian said:
A self-proclaimed born-again Christian who believes all abortions are a sin told his trial for murder today that he shot dead an abortion doctor in Wichita, Kansas, to protect unborn children.

Scott Roeder said he had bought a .22-calibre Taurus gun and ammunition on 30 May 2009, the day before he shot George Tiller, and practised target shooting with his brother. Then he checked into a motel in Wichita, and the next day followed Tiller to the church in the town where the doctor was an usher.

His defence lawyer asked: "Did you go and shoot Dr Tiller?"

Roeder replied: "Yes."

His confession is part of his defence that he felt forced to kill in order to save the lives of unborn children. He has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder.

It is the first time in US legal history that a violent anti-abortionist has been allowed to present the jury with his justification for murder.

The judge in the case, Warren Wilbert, caused dismay among pro-abortionists and doctors this month when he ruled that Roeder would be allowed to present his justification to the court. Wilbert will decide later in the trial in Kansas whether the jury will be permitted to find the defendant guilty of the lesser crime of manslaughter.

Tiller was killed in the Reformation Lutheran church with one shot to the head. He had long been a target for anti-abortionists as he was one of few doctors prepared to perform legal late abortions, after 21 weeks of gestation.

In 1986 Tiller's clinic was bombed and in 1993 he was shot in both arms, but he carried on working.

Roeder told the jury that he was born-again in 1992 after watching an evangelical television programme, the 700 Club. "That day I knelt down and I did accept Christ as my saviour."

Despite frequent objections from the prosecution, the judge allowed Roeder to tell the court his conviction that abortion was murder, from conception onwards. "It is not man's job to take life — it's our Heavenly Father's. He is our creator, he gives and takes life. It's never up to man to take life, except in defence of self or others."

At one point Roeder talked of foetuses being "torn limb from limb" and said foetuses in later stages of pregnancy "feel more pain". Both comments drew protests from the prosecution.

Roeder said he did not approve of abortions, even in cases of rape or incest, as "two wrongs don't make a right".

The only area he would consider – and he said that he "struggled" over this — would be if the mother would certainly die if she remained pregnant.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Splendid.... :rolleyes:
 

Eraserhead

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Is "pro-abortionists" typical terminology in the UK, especially in the Guardian?
It sounds a bit dodgy - pro-choice would probably be better.

But as virtually everyone is pro-choice over here maybe they weren't sure on which word to use.
 

Sdashiki

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"If you're so pro-life, do me a favour: don't lock arms and block medical clinics. If you're so pro-life, lock arms and block cemeteries." - Bill Hicks
 

xUKHCx

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Is "pro-abortionists" typical terminology in the UK, especially in the Guardian?
Terminology varies by source, pro-abortionists appears a fair few times on the guardian website. Of course so does the phrase anti-abortionists as exemplified by the above article.
 

fivepoint

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Scott Roeder should be put in jail for the rest of his life. What he did was disgusting, immoral, and against God, natural law, or whatever you want to call it.

George Tiller should have been put in jail for the rest of his life. What he did each and every day was disgusting, immoral, and against God, natural law, or whatever you want to call it.

I agree with Scott Roeder, two wrongs does not equal a right. He should have taken his own advice... and fought tooth and nail to prevent the murders of innocent babies from continuing to take place, without taking the law into his own hands.

You don't consider what George Tiller to be murder? Look up some descriptive procedures of late-term abortions and then tell me what you think. Disgusting.
 

yg17

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George Tiller should have been put in jail for the rest of his life. What he did each and every day was disgusting, immoral, and against God, natural law, or whatever you want to call it.
What George Tiller did was legal. And that's the only thing that determines if someone goes to jail. Not if it's disgusting, immoral, against god or natural law because we all have different opinions on that. But the law is the law and George Tiller never broke it.
 

.Andy

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.You don't consider what George Tiller to be murder?
No. And neither does the law in most first world countries or indeed medical boards.

Look up some descriptive procedures of late-term abortions and then tell me what you think. Disgusting.
Late term abortions are indeed horrific but unfortunately necessary in some medically indicated cases. Seeing you know so much on the issue perhaps you could fill us in on when late-term abortions are carried and and under what criteria. As you've presented it it's almost as if your trying to claim that elective late-term abortions are regularly carried out at abortion clinics which would most certainly be erroneous.
 

Eraserhead

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Late term abortions are indeed horrific but unfortunately necessary in some medically indicated cases. Seeing you know so much on the issue perhaps you could fill us in on when late-term abortions are carried and and under what criteria. As you've presented it it's almost as if your trying to claim that elective late-term abortions are regularly carried out at abortion clinics which would most certainly be erroneous.
What do you guys mean by a late-term abortion? I'd say over 22 weeks or something, but Wikipedia seems to be saying over 16 weeks or even 13 weeks counts as "late" - even though the foetus isn't viable outside the mother at that stage.