SCOTUS: Domestic Abusers Can Lose Gun Ownership Rights

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  1. bradl macrumors 68040

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    Or in the world of PRSI, "Yet Another 2A thread."

    In this case, I agree with SCOTUS. As a comment in the article said:

    "It was already illegal to own a firearm if convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence. What this ruling did was confirm that reckless domestic assault is included in that statute."

    I can agree with that.

    http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...c-abusers-can-lose-their-gun-ownership-rights

    When you look at this ruling, this again reaffirms the ruling from District of Columbia v. Heller that the 2nd Amendment is not unlimited.

    Again, I can agree with this (Voisine) ruling.

    BL.
     
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    I'm sure this ruling will comfort the woman being stalked by her jealously homicidal ex-boyfriend and who is forbidden to purchase a handgun without a three-day waiting period.

    Why, this SCOTUS ruling will protect them better than that no-contact order the judge gave her jealously homicidal ex-boyfriend.

    That black car with the tinted windows that circled your block for three hours and is now parked on your street? No worries!
     
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    Good news.
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    You know she could stay with friends for three days...

    EDIT: Besides I reckon if you had a violent ex partner the police would let you have a gun here in the UK.
     
  4. WarHeadz macrumors 6502a

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    Sweet deal. And this is just the beginning of the new gun control wave. Looks like the pendulum is swinging back in our direction.
     
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    A "gun control wave?" lol, Ok Brewster.
     
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    Yep. And it's going to be the result of the "all or nothing" and "not one more inch" attitudes of pro-gun advocates. You can thank the NRA.
     
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    Maybe if this fictitious boyfriend is charged with domestic assault and a peace order, maybe the cops should then take his gun away.

    That black tinted windowed car by the way is the FBI watching you.
     
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    Sure, just let me know when the government starts going door to door collecting everyone's guns. I want to watch from the roof.
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    He's already a felon and can't legally own a gun. Besides, he's more of a knife guy. And the FBI is that black van in the alley with the aerials poking out of the roof. My WiFi Pineapple is collecting everything they're doing. Even the porn.
     
  9. bradl thread starter macrumors 68040

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    Partially agree with @aaronvan here. I wouldn't call this a wave of anything yet, especially in the middle of an election season. A wave would depend on the Blues having both houses of Congress with a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, the White House, and able to get, at the most, 2 SCOTUS justices appointed.

    From there, there may be the chance.

    Back on this ruling, I wondering why Sotomayor in part dissented, and what her reasoning was. Outside of that, Thomas was the only one who dissented, as the other 3 conservative judges didn't join him in dissent at all.

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  10. ucfgrad93 macrumors P6

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    If I had to hazard a guess, I think it is the fact that a misdemeanor conviction is depriving someone of their Constitutional rights for life. Virginia has restored the right to vote for some convicted felons, but for a less serious conviction we take away rights?

    Not sure how I feel about this. I get the need to protect women, however, losing your rights forever for a misdemeanor seems too harsh to me. Maybe they should be denied for 5-10 years.
     
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    there are a lot of wet cheerio's today. the NRA has fought to let these convicted felons access to guns. glad it has
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    yes maybe forever is harsh. but abusing is usually not something that just goes away without a lot of work.
     
  12. bradl thread starter macrumors 68040

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    I see what you're getting at, but it was also stated that they were charged with a felony, as domestic assault is considered a felony, and they pleaded to a lesser conviction. My guess is that SCOTUS ruled on the original charge and the consequences regarding that charge, not the conviction they bargained/plea dealt for.

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    It shouldn't be about direction but about common sense.

    The guy beating his wife/girlfriend shouldn't be allowed to make it any easier and more cowardly with a gun.
     
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    It's domestic violence. Any conviction should remove gun ownership.

    On the other hand if someone was convicted of burglary 10 years ago they should get their guns back.
     
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    The Lautenberg Amendment applies to misdemeanor domestic violence. Sure, serious/violent/egregious domestic violence should outlaw gun ownership. Trouble is, in today's world, just yelling and cursing can be called an assault--and has been.

    And it's lifelong. A guy does stupid at age 20 and he's still under the ban thirty or fifty years later, regardless of any absolutely-pure lifestyle.

    Steve Knight is absolutely incorrect about the NRA. We have worked with Congress and legislatures in support of laws dealing with felons and guns. Some of the input is reflected in the outlawing of a felon's even touching a firearm or ammunition, much less possessing.

    Much of the NRA position dates back to the days of the Anti-Federalist Papers, where in a discussion of the then-proposed Second Amendment it was said that the right should be denied to "...the insane and to people of ill repute." So, figuring that the term ill repute = felon...
     
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    Anyone who has paid their debt to society should have all his rights restored ,exception being child molesters , and registered democrats :D
     
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    really guess google disagrees.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/14/us/felons-finding-it-easy-to-regain-gun-rights.html?_r=0
    Felons Finding It Easy to Regain Gun Rights
    NRA Bemoans Domestic Violence But Lobbies For Policies That Arm Abusers
    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/09/30/nra-bemoans-domestic-violence-but-lobbies-for-p/196155

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    so you want even more more gun violence?
     
  18. MacAndMic macrumors 6502

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    I find it ironic that the same people who want to commute sentences and give criminals a chance at being a productive citizen are the same people who can't forgive. So can a criminal really ever be fully assimilated back into society with these restrictions?
     
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    I find it ironic that people who want to lock everyone up and punish them severely are willing to arm them as soon as possible. so worried about the felons safety but not so much about the victims safety.
     
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    Really? If a gun is what a "former" criminal needs to feel assimilated back into society, they can **** off.
     
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    I will preface this by saying I believe in the right to own a gun, I own 2 myself, however I believe in appropriate/logical gun control.

    I agree that this law actually makes sense considering the statistics of domestic abuser and gun violence, not to mention adequate repercussions for the crime. That said, I'm not so sure being barred from a gun is reasonable- perhaps 5-10 year barring after successful probation, a clean record, and appropriate domestic violence/anger mgmt classes. Also, I'm not sure a 1-strike policy is fair either- or where to draw the line (in a heat of rage husband pushes wife for first time in 10 years vs 10 years of chronic abuse). Of course, you run the risk of the individual returning to their old behavior, which could yield detrimental results. Maybe there are some stats on that.

    I think the people who propose shorter sentences or whatever are usually referring to drug crimes. Drug abusers I think need a different level of care prison/jail can provide- that's a whole different topic though. On the topic of violent crimes I haven't seen anyone looking for softer punishments... Domestic violence is often not a crime taken lightly.

    To assimilate I don't believe one needs to own a gun. It's not a necessity for daily living. Assimilate assumes not returning to illegal behavior and to thrive in all aspects of life. A gun is not required for that, a gun is simply an object. If a Police Officer abuses his/her power and for whatever reason loses his/her badge, it's too bad- but the decisions he/she made created that outcome- Permanently. They have proven themselves not responsible enough to act as an agent of government authority. They have lost their right to be a police officer. But that doesn't mean he/she can't continue to live in society, feel connected, and live an otherwise successful life.
     
  22. MacAndMic macrumors 6502

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    What if he was raised on hunting. A guy I would call an American, whereas liberals label him as redneck, white trash and blue collar ;) could not continue his family traditions and would never feel in place again.

    ;) = Buy me a boat
     
  23. bradl thread starter macrumors 68040

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    Note that SCOTUS didn't impede his 2nd Amendment right to bear arms, which goes contrary to the situation you claim. In other words, guns aren't the only arms; he that hunter could return to his livelihood with bow, arrow, and quiver just as easily as he could with a gun.

    In fact, I'd venture to say that it could be more advantageous for them to hunt that way. With a gun/rifle, once your shot is fired, you'd be scaring off all of the nearby game in addition to the one you're hunting just from the firing of the gun.

    The bow and arrow would be silent, and if a clean shot with plenty of game nearby, you may be able to get more than one target.

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    cry a river for the poor abused redneck your so caring that way. why don't you get a booth outside prison and hand out guns to the felons that leave. seems a good way to go.
     
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    What if he only has one arm?
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    You are starting to see the ridiculousness the right see daily. Good night!
     

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