SCOTUS Halts Wisconsin's VoterID Law; Texas Law Overturned

bradl

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For those on the political right who thought that disenfranchisement like this was only a myth being spread by the political left, I hope you are prepared to tell a federal judge that, because that judge completely disagrees, and ruled as such.

Meanwhile, Wisconsin needs to revisit their plans, as there's no real chance of resuming their VoterID law by election time.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/10/09/354995983/supreme-court-halts-wisconsin-voter-id-law-texas-law-on-hold-too

Supreme Court Halts Wisconsin Voter ID Law; Texas Law Overturned
by CHRIS HOPKINS
October 09, 201411:15 PM ET

After an appeals court put Wisconsin's voter ID law back into effect, the Supreme Court's liberal wing, plus Justices Kennedy and Roberts, voted put the law on hold while they decide whether to take the case.

Erin Toner of Milwaukee's WUWM reports:
"This comes after a federal appeals court on Monday upheld the law as constitutional. But tonight's Supreme Court ruling blocks voter ID while it considers whether to accept the case.
"Gov. Walker and Republicans approved the law in 2011, and it's been held up in the courts ever since...
"It's been estimated that as many as 300,000 Wisconsin residents do not have the required IDs for voting. Supporters of the law claim the intent is to prevent voter fraud, but there is no evidence of any fraud in Wisconsin."
Meanwhile, a federal judge in Texas overturned that state's new voter ID law, a ruling the state's attorney general says will be appealed immediately, The Associated Press reports. The Justice Department had argued that the law would have left 600,000 Texans, mostly blacks and Hispanics, without sufficient identification to vote in November, the AP reports.
BL.
 

Southern Dad

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It's amazing how the left fights against making sure that the person voting is who they say they are... I'm thankful, my state, Georgia has a Voter ID law that has been in place and working for years.
 

zin

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It's amazing how the left fights against making sure that the person voting is who they say they are... I'm thankful, my state, Georgia has a Voter ID law that has been in place and working for years.
Works in what respect? What is the law accomplishing?

Do you have data to support this claim that it "works"?
 

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It's amazing how the left fights against making sure that the person voting is who they say they are... I'm thankful, my state, Georgia has a Voter ID law that has been in place and working for years.
No one is against it, as a matter of fact, I was surprised to learn that an ID isn't required to vote in some states. With that said, haphazardly implementing the voter ID law when it will clearly negatively impact mostly democratic voters who lack the means to comply with the new law is dirty politics. Each state should be required to devise an approach to ensure that anyone who is a registered voter has ample time and help if needed to obtain a proper ID.
 

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It's amazing how the left fights against making sure that the person voting is who they say they are... I'm thankful, my state, Georgia has a Voter ID law that has been in place and working for years.

Oh yeah, Georgia really has their shot togather regarding voting. :rolleyes:


ATLANTA — Just one week away from the start of early voting, at least 42,000 residents who registered to vote still haven’t been given that right.

Some applied as far back as April.

"The Secretary of State is supposed to represent all the people — Democrats, Republicans, Independents, registered and unregistered voters alike,” Congressman John Lewis said Monday, during a press conference hosted by the New Georgia Project in Atlanta. “But it seems like the Secretary of State of Georgia has picked sides in this election. It seems he is not on the side of the people of this state.”

Stacey Abrams, the Democratic party leader in the state House of Representatives, leads the New Georgia Project, an initiative that aims to register minority groups to vote. The initiative was successful in registering 86,000 new voters — but Abrams said the group can’t understand why half those new voters haven’t shown up on Georgia’s official list of registered voters, yet.
http://www.henryherald.com/news/2014/oct/06/georgia-leaders-worry-over-42000-missing-voters/
 

Huntn

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Works in what respect? What is the law accomplishing?

Do you have data to support this claim that it "works"?
Don't you know there are roving bands of liberal hit squads using nefarious methods, assaulting precinct after precinct casting hundreds of bogus votes to upset conservatives victories during elections?? :p


Consider that the "old" system worked for a couple hundred years until conservatives realized that they could not win elections consistently and honestly so they decided that roadblocks that hinder those demograghics perceived to vote Democratic, a direct assault on our cherished democratic values, the-end-justifies-the-dishonorable means, loose our souls, but win at all costs was the best road to take. This is one of the MOST disgusting, Hypocritical un-democratic characteristics of modern conservatives. Did I make my point? ;)
 

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Don't you know there are roving bands of liberal hit squads using nefarious methods, assaulting precinct after precinct casting hundreds of bogus votes to upset conservatives victories during elections?? :p


Consider that the "old" system worked for a couple hundred years until conservatives realized that they could not win elections consistently and honestly so they decided that roadblocks that hinder those demograghics perceived to vote Democratic, a direct assault on our cherished democratic values, the-end-justifies-the-dishonorable means, loose our souls, but win at all costs was the best road to take. This is one of the MOST disgusting, Hypocritical un-democratic characteristics of modern conservatives. Did I make my point? ;)
Well, instead of coming to terms that your party's platform is being rejected by the American people, it is easier to convince yourself that voter fraud must be widespread despite having absolutely no evidence to support the theory.
 

Huntn

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Well, instead of coming to terms that your party's platform is being rejected by the American people, it is easier to convince yourself that voter fraud must be widespread despite having absolutely no evidence to support the theory.
Agreed, they argue voter fraud and also have a bridge to sell you. ;) This effort is the major conspiracy perpetrated around the country by GOP State controlled legislatures to disenfranchise a segment of voters.

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It's amazing how the left fights against making sure that the person voting is who they say they are... I'm thankful, my state, Georgia has a Voter ID law that has been in place and working for years.
You are thankful that Georgia has done their part to subvert the democratic process? Btw, voter ID is not the only anti-voter tactic being used by GOP controlled legislatures. There are moves to limit early voting and close polling places. Can you explain that away?
 

Southern Dad

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You are thankful that Georgia has done their part to subvert the democratic process? Btw, voter ID is not the only anti-voter tactic being used by GOP controlled legislatures. There are moves to limit early voting and close polling places. Can you explain that away?
Georgia has had more minority voters in the last two presidential elections than in previous ones. It continues to increase. We've had Voter ID for two presidential elections. How bizarre.

Our early voting lasts for a week but is not open on Sunday. There was initially some pushback about the closing of the polls on Sunday but then it was observed that very few people actually voted on Sunday during the early voting. In addition, we have absentee voting without requiring a reason. No ID is required for absentee voting. Signature verification or address verification is used.

State issued Voter ID is free. Any of the 159 county registrars offices in the state can issue one or the DDS (think DMV) can. Ironically, those are the places where you register to vote.
 

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In addition, we have absentee voting without requiring a reason. No ID is required for absentee voting. Signature verification or address verification is used.
Wisconsin's voter ID law (halted by SCOTUS) requires absentee voters to include a photocopy of their photo ID when they mail in their ballots (source). What are your thoughts on this policy? I apologize for singling you out but you are the only pro-voter ID poster on this thread so far.
 

Southern Dad

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Wisconsin's voter ID law (halted by SCOTUS) requires absentee voters to include a photocopy of their photo ID when they mail in their ballots (source). What are your thoughts on this policy? I apologize for singling you out but you are the only pro-voter ID poster on this thread so far.
I like the way Georgia does it for absentee ballot. They verify by signature or mailing address. When you registered you signed. I don't think Photocopying the ID should be needed.
 

Huntn

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Georgia has had more minority voters in the last two presidential elections than in previous ones. It continues to increase. We've had Voter ID for two presidential elections. How bizarre.

Our early voting lasts for a week but is not open on Sunday. There was initially some pushback about the closing of the polls on Sunday but then it was observed that very few people actually voted on Sunday during the early voting. In addition, we have absentee voting without requiring a reason. No ID is required for absentee voting. Signature verification or address verification is used.

State issued Voter ID is free. Any of the 159 county registrars offices in the state can issue one or the DDS (think DMV) can. Ironically, those are the places where you register to vote.
I'm glad to hear that Georgia is so considerate. :rolleyes: This does not seem to be the case around the country as GOP sponsored voter bills are falling left and right.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/01/opinion/brazile-early-voting-rights-ohio/

Maybe you can tell me how the new State Voter ID cards are better than the voter registration cards that have been in use for at least the last 4 decades?
Do you honestly believe that voter fraud is a real issue?
 

Southern Dad

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I'm glad to hear that Georgia is so considerate. :rolleyes: This does not seem to be the case around the country as GOP sponsored voter bills are falling left and right.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/01/opinion/brazile-early-voting-rights-ohio/

Maybe you can tell me how the new State Voter ID cards are better than the voter registration cards that have been in use for at least the last 4 decades?
Do you honestly believe that voter fraud is a real issue?
The Voter ID cards are State ID's. They have a picture on them. Voter Registration cards have very little information and aren't meant to identify the voter. They are meant to tell the voter where to vote at.

No, I think that voter fraud is a small issue. However, I also think that voting is something that is important enough to protect. I think that we should make sure that it is one person, one vote.

With all the dirty pool in politics, do you think someone won't start trying to swing elections? They have been cases of voter fraud in the past but they are hard to catch, and even harder to prosecute.
 

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It's amazing how the left fights against making sure that the person voting is who they say they are...
I have no problem with voter ID.

All I've asked for is an adequate period to allow people to obtain IDs once the rules change.
 

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Do you honestly believe that voter fraud is a real issue?
The following was reproduced from my post in another related thread on this topic.

But the ID laws are not just about fraud. Read the Supreme Court case of Crawford v. Marion County Election Board (2008), written by Justice Stevens (no conservative, he). He identifies legitimate reasons for establishing voter ID requirements in Indiana, including election modernization and issues surrounding that, preventing voter fraud, and safeguarding voter confidence in the process. He discusses these at some length, and makes these comments regarding voter fraud:

The record contains no evidence of any such fraud actually occurring in Indiana at any time in its history. Moreover, petitioners argue that provisions of the Indiana Criminal Code punishing such conduct as a felony provide adequate protection against the risk that such conduct will occur in the future. It remains true, however, that flagrant examples of such fraud in other parts of the country have been documented throughout this Nation’s history by respected historians and journalists, that occasional examples have surfaced in recent years, and that Indiana’s own experience with fraudulent voting in the 2003 Democratic primary for East Chicago Mayor13—though perpetrated using absentee ballots and not in-person fraud—demonstrate that not only is the risk of voter fraud real but that it could affect the outcome of a close election.

There is no question about the legitimacy or importance of the State’s interest in counting only the votes of eligible voters. Moreover, the interest in orderly administration and accurate recordkeeping provides a sufficient justification for carefully identifying all voters participating in the election process. While the most effective method of preventing election fraud may well be debatable, the propriety of doing so is perfectly clear.
In a footnote, Stevens cites one particularly colorful example of voter fraud:

Infamous examples [of voter fraud] abound in the New York City elections of the late nineteenth century, conducted under the influence of the Tammany Hall political machine. “Big Tim” Sullivan, a New York state senator, and—briefly—a United States Congressman, insisted that his “repeaters” (individuals paid to vote multiple times) have whiskers: “ ‘When you’ve voted ’em with their whiskers on you take ’em to a barber and scrape off the chin-fringe. Then you vote ’em again with side lilacs and a moustache. Then to a barber again, off comes the sides and you vote ’em a third time with the moustache. If that ain’t enough and the box can stand a few more ballots clean off the moustache and vote ’em plain face. That makes every one of ’em good for four votes.’ ”
M. Werner, Tammany Hall 439 (1928)
He also cites a section of the report by the Commission on Federal Election Reform chaired by former President Jimmy Carter and former Secretary of State James A. Baker III where they discussed voter fraud:

“A good registration list will ensure that citizens are only registered in one place, but election officials still need to make sure that the person arriving at a polling site is the same one that is named on the registration list. In the old days and in small towns where everyone knows each other, voters did not need to identify themselves. But in the United States, where 40 million people move each year, and in urban areas where some people do not even know the people living in their own apartment building let alone their precinct, some form of identification is needed. There is no evidence of extensive fraud in U. S. elections or of multiple voting, but both occur, and it could affect the outcome of a close election. The electoral system cannot inspire public confidence if no safeguards exist to deter or detect fraud or to confirm the identity of voters. Photo identification cards currently are needed to board a plane, enter federal buildings, and cash a check. Voting is equally important.”
In fairness, I will add that Stevens did recognize that getting a photo ID may impose a burden on some people, but that it was not a significant one today:

A photo identification requirement imposes some burdens on voters that other methods of identification do not share. For example, a voter may lose his photo identification, may have his wallet stolen on the way to the polls, or may not resemble the photo in the identification because he recently grew a beard. Burdens of that sort arising from life’s vagaries, however, are neither so serious nor so frequent as to raise any question about the constitutionality of [the Indiana statute]; the availability of the right to cast a provisional ballot provides an adequate remedy for problems of that character.

The burdens that are relevant to the issue before us are those imposed on persons who are eligible to vote but do not possess a current photo identification that complies with the requirements of SEA 483.16 The fact that most voters already possess a valid driver’s license, or some other form of acceptable identification, would not save the statute under our reasoning in Harper, if the State required voters to pay a tax or a fee to obtain a new photo identification. But just as other States provide free voter registration cards, the photo identification cards issued by Indiana’s BMV are also free. For most voters who need them, the inconvenience of making a trip to the BMV, gathering the required documents, and posing for a photograph surely does not qualify as a substantial burden on the right to vote, or even represent a significant increase over the usual burdens of voting.
So yes, it is a real issue with real consequences.
 

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The TX and WI ID laws were passed in 2011. Is 3 years not enough time?
With over 30,000 voters having not received the adequate ID, clearly not.

Again, your side keeps arguing that these should be provided...so why the hell after 3 years have your leaders not gotten the ID's they claim are needed out to these people? IS three years not enough time?:rolleyes:
 

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With over 30,000 voters having not received the adequate ID, clearly not.

Again, your side keeps arguing that these should be provided...so why the hell after 3 years have your leaders not gotten the ID's they claim are needed out to these people? IS three years not enough time?:rolleyes:
Why is it that Democrat groups can easily and efficiently organize buses to transport their constituents to the polls, but cannot assist them in obtaining the proper IDs required by law? Is three years not enough time? :p
 

Southern Dad

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I have no problem with voter ID.

All I've asked for is an adequate period to allow people to obtain IDs once the rules change.
I completely agree with that. From the time Georgia's law passed until it was actually implemented it was around two years.

Now what could be the cause of that?

Can't ... quite ... put my finger on it.

Must be because of the voter ID law, right?
For those not local, it was obviously Barack Obama's election in 2008 but the turn out was still even higher in 2012 which some can attributed to President Obama. The other thing that we've had in Georgia is the fact that there is so much that you need an ID for here. Many counties require carding of everyone to purchase alcohol or tobacco products. Many prescriptions require an ID to pick up (narcotics, I think). Hotel check in, check cashing, even using a credit card. So ID has just become common.
 

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Why is it that Democrat groups can easily and efficiently organize buses to transport their constituents to the polls, but cannot assist them in obtaining the proper IDs required by law? Is three years not enough time? :p
Your joking, clearly, but the onus to provide ID's is on those who put the law in place, not the people who are under it's rule.

It certainly isn't on a political party that is against the law to provide the requirements put in place by the other party.
 

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Your joking, clearly, but the onus to provide ID's is on those who put the law in place, not the people who are under it's rule.

It certainly isn't on a political party that is against the law to provide the requirements put in place by the other party.
It's up to the citizens to comply with simple laws regarding voter ID so that all of us can have confidence in the process. As Justice Stevens said, it's really not a big burden to get an ID these days. Read my lengthy post above for all the reasons why.