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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by rdowns, Jun 25, 2015.
By a 6-3 vote. Can't image the flustercluck had they not upheld them.
We have all been Grubered.
I'm slightly surprised the Majority was 6-3; rather than 5-4 or (horrors) overturning them.
I guess this ruling restores at least some of my faith in, and respect for, the Supreme Court. Without a doubt there are some Justices (I'm looking' at you, Antonin Scalia) that seem intent on injecting a partisan spin on to every case. But in the greater scheme of things it does look like Chief Justice Roberts is prepared to examine and rule on cases on their legal merits.
This really does mean that Obamacare is all but impossible to roll back. Now all that most of the country has to do is wait for voters in those Republican states to demand the full extension of Medicaid to their lower-income residents.
Fox News: Socialism Triumphs in America
MSNBC: GOP Plan to Take Away Your Healthcare Foiled
CNN: Search for Missing Plan Continues
Decisions like this really just encourage Congressional sloppiness and expand presidential authority to reinterpret law, neither of which I think are ultimately a good thing, even if the outcome here was desired.
This really solidifies the ACA. I'm absolutely thrilled!!! I was really stressing about this one.
Did you read the decision? You may want to read his dissent before wagging your finger at Scalia. And the "legal merits" of support on the majority opinion are dubious at best. Even Roberts and the Majority say "Petitioner's arguments about the plain meaning of Section 36B are strong" and "In this instance, the context and structure of the Act compel us to depart from what would otherwise be the most natural reading of the pertinent statutory phrase." Scalia's dissent is a lesson on statutory construction without a whit of partisan spin. On the contrary, it's the Majority with the partisan spin.
This is all I've seen of it so far.
I agree that that sounds rather devoid of partisanship, but I guess it's easier for some to project partisanship where there is none, just to ensure partisanship continues.
I'd love to ask Obama if he regrets his no vote on confirming Roberts.
This is the point, the GOP never had an alternate plan, but they would never come right out and say screw you to financially challenged citizens. We have a plan stored away in our vault. Someday in the years ahead, when the time is right, we'll act. (Vigorous winks directed to the right.)
Obamacare today and marriage equality on Monday. The conservatives are going to have a hemorrhage.
I'm right. They never had a plan they were serious about. They never tried to amend the ACA improving it, they just voted 100 times to kill it without simultaneously offering an alternative, which if they were serious about offering this kind of a benefit, it was the perfect time to do so to convince the people they were serious about offering health care assistance. They are hostile to the idea but are trying to convince us they care.
I was just going to post this 6-3 even
Pretty pathetic that it took them more than 5 years to come up with an alternative.
There is no guarantee that a SCOTUS justice picked by a conservative/liberal president will make "conservative/liberal" decisions throughout a 20-30 year career on the bench. People change, opinions evolve, etc. Anthony Kennedy was selected by Ronald Reagan and now he is pretty much the swing vote. Ultra-liberals John Paul Stevens and David Souter were Ford and Bush 41 picks, respectively.
I listened to Obama's presser, and I still disagree with his assumption that insurance is affordable. We are still getting screwed by the insurance companies. Sure there are subsidizes but that doesn't change that fact that we are still getting gouged.
did you see the out of pocket cost? HOW can anyone that gets a subsidy afford that? yeay you have insurance, too bad you can't go with those out of pockcet cost :doh:
THIS IS NOTHING NEW. Conservatives and the GOP have a real issue when it comes to humanity and morality, discerning the path forward, which is out of synch with average citizens. In the name of profits, their perceived lost profits, they will be dragged forward kicking and screaming AS USUAL.
In other words, there is much room for improvement. We've allowed corporatism to become a monster. Time to call for the white knight to slay the dragon (no racial connection implied).
try some common sense, what good is insurance if you can't afford to go?
The bill does nothing to lower the costs of services, which is the #1 issue.
Preexisting coverage and preventing bankruptcies are the only good things about the bill... why it had to be 700 pages I dunno.
It was sold to us because 50 million people did not have insurance.. so are these 50 million now covered and paying for their medical services? Nope.
Don't forget about the illegal alien criminals that still overwhelm our ERs.
That is a problem with the system as a whole. We need to scrap insurance companies and do a government system.
Those aren't actual headlines....
Really, I thought CNN was still looking for the plane?
Plane looks like plan, i.e. health-care plan. It's a pun, I believe. A jape if you will. Perhaps a bon mot. A humorous aside? A jest? Quip? Waggery?