SCOTUS Upholds Obamacare Subsidies


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By a 6-3 vote. Can't image the flustercluck had they not upheld them.
I'm slightly surprised the Majority was 6-3; rather than 5-4 or (horrors) overturning them.

I guess this ruling restores at least some of my faith in, and respect for, the Supreme Court. Without a doubt there are some Justices (I'm looking' at you, Antonin Scalia) that seem intent on injecting a partisan spin on to every case. But in the greater scheme of things it does look like Chief Justice Roberts is prepared to examine and rule on cases on their legal merits.

This really does mean that Obamacare is all but impossible to roll back. Now all that most of the country has to do is wait for voters in those Republican states to demand the full extension of Medicaid to their lower-income residents.
 

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I guess this ruling restores at least some of my faith in, and respect for, the Supreme Court. Without a doubt there are some Justices (I'm looking' at you, Antonin Scalia) that seem intent on injecting a partisan spin on to every case. But in the greater scheme of things it does look like Chief Justice Roberts is prepared to examine and rule on cases on their legal merits.
Did you read the decision? You may want to read his dissent before wagging your finger at Scalia. And the "legal merits" of support on the majority opinion are dubious at best. Even Roberts and the Majority say "Petitioner's arguments about the plain meaning of Section 36B are strong" and "In this instance, the context and structure of the Act compel us to depart from what would otherwise be the most natural reading of the pertinent statutory phrase." Scalia's dissent is a lesson on statutory construction without a whit of partisan spin. On the contrary, it's the Majority with the partisan spin.
 
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This is all I've seen of it so far.

Justice Antonin Scalia wrote the dissent.

“The Court holds that when the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act says ‘Exchange established by the State’ it means ‘Exchange established by the State or the Federal Government.’ That is of course quite absurd, and the Court’s 21 pages of explanation make it no less so,” Scalia wrote, who was also joined by Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito in the dissent.

Scalia added, “Words no longer have meaning if an Exchange that is not established by a State is ‘established by the State.’ It is hard to come up with a clearer way to limit tax credits to state Exchanges than to use the words ‘established by the State.’ And it is hard to come up with a reason to include the words ‘by the State’ other than the purpose of limiting credits to state Exchanges.”
I agree that that sounds rather devoid of partisanship, but I guess it's easier for some to project partisanship where there is none, just to ensure partisanship continues.
 
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I'd love to ask Obama if he regrets his no vote on confirming Roberts.
 

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Fox News: Socialism Triumphs in America

MSNBC: GOP Plan to Take Away Your Healthcare Foiled

CNN: Search for Missing Plan Continues
CNN link

This is the point, the GOP never had an alternate plan, but they would never come right out and say screw you to financially challenged citizens. We have a plan stored away in our vault. Someday in the years ahead, when the time is right, we'll act. (Vigorous winks directed to the right.)
 
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I'm right. They never had a plan they were serious about. They never tried to amend the ACA improving it, they just voted 100 times to kill it without simultaneously offering an alternative, which if they were serious about offering this kind of a benefit, it was the perfect time to do so to convince the people they were serious about offering health care assistance. They are hostile to the idea but are trying to convince us they care. :rolleyes:
 
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I'd love to ask Obama if he regrets his no vote on confirming Roberts.
There is no guarantee that a SCOTUS justice picked by a conservative/liberal president will make "conservative/liberal" decisions throughout a 20-30 year career on the bench. People change, opinions evolve, etc. Anthony Kennedy was selected by Ronald Reagan and now he is pretty much the swing vote. Ultra-liberals John Paul Stevens and David Souter were Ford and Bush 41 picks, respectively.
 
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I listened to Obama's presser, and I still disagree with his assumption that insurance is affordable. We are still getting screwed by the insurance companies. Sure there are subsidizes but that doesn't change that fact that we are still getting gouged.
 

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I listened to Obama's presser, and I still disagree with his assumption that insurance is affordable. We are still getting screwed by the insurance companies. Sure there are subsidizes but that doesn't change that fact that we are still getting gouged.
did you see the out of pocket cost? HOW can anyone that gets a subsidy afford that? yeay you have insurance, too bad you can't go with those out of pockcet cost :doh:
 
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THIS IS NOTHING NEW. Conservatives and the GOP have a real issue when it comes to humanity and morality, discerning the path forward, which is out of synch with average citizens. In the name of profits, their perceived lost profits, they will be dragged forward kicking and screaming AS USUAL. :confused:

I listened to Obama's presser, and I still disagree with his assumption that insurance is affordable. We are still getting screwed by the insurance companies. Sure there are subsidizes but that doesn't change that fact that we are still getting gouged.
In other words, there is much room for improvement. We've allowed corporatism to become a monster. Time to call for the white knight to slay the dragon (no racial connection implied).
 

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THIS IS NOTHING NEW. Conservatives and the GOP have a real issue when it comes to humanity and morality, discerning the path forward, which is out of synch with average citizens. In the name of profits, they will be dragged forward kicking and screaming AS USUAL. :confused:
try some common sense, what good is insurance if you can't afford to go?
 
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I listened to Obama's presser, and I still disagree with his assumption that insurance is affordable. We are still getting screwed by the insurance companies. Sure there are subsidizes but that doesn't change that fact that we are still getting gouged.
The bill does nothing to lower the costs of services, which is the #1 issue.

Preexisting coverage and preventing bankruptcies are the only good things about the bill... why it had to be 700 pages I dunno.

It was sold to us because 50 million people did not have insurance.. so are these 50 million now covered and paying for their medical services? Nope.

Don't forget about the illegal alien criminals that still overwhelm our ERs.