Secret CIA prisons confirmed by Polish and Romanian officials

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  1. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,2097935,00.html



    So there we go. Denied access to the Red Cross or Red Crescent. Tucked away from legal sight by spooks and tortured... gulags.
     
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    And when do we hear what the official UK stance is on this? Either it happened with the full knowledge and illegal compliance of the PM, or somebody else was making illegal decisions on their own, and using the full facilities of the State to further them, in which case they should be tried for treason.
     
  3. Blue Velvet thread starter Moderator emeritus

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    Most people will be more interested in Big Brother. ;)
     
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    There are days it bugs me that Bush, Cheney, et al. will live out their days in luxury and ease.
     
  5. Blue Velvet thread starter Moderator emeritus

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    Have shows like 24 inured people to this kind of behaviour?
     
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    Worse, people wonder "Hey, if a fictional character can do it, why not our own government?! If the Democrats weren't such wimps we'd've saved the world by now." Just like on 24.

    It doesn't inure people to torture, it disappoints them that Bush isn't allowed to be as cool and effective as Jack Bauer.
     
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    Maybe it will be short-lived.
     
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    The resurrection of Kiefer Sutherland's career has cost an awful lot of people their lives and liberty. Was it worth it, I ask myself?
     
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    Hell, the name Jack Bauer has come up in Republican debates. They style themselves after him.

    It's funny, the GOP professes to despise "Hollyweird" but the second an actor so much as flirts with them, they swoon like a schoolgirl at a boy-band concert.
     
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    so, the romanians give a lesson in open gov't to the US. never thought i'd see the day.
     
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    The U.S. has sunken to new lows but look at the small group running the country with the republicans help. All should be held accountable, we are being sold out in so many ways by the current cheeses in charge it aint funny. This is just more of the same, stomping all over what we are suppose to represent to the world. Bush & Cheney, destroying this countrys reputation.
     
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    I think we'll find out that "contractors" will be blamed for any improper
    handling of detainees.

    Their funding is classified of course and I sincerely doubt there will
    be any evidence tying them directly to anyone critical to this administration.
     
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    Universally hated. Their departure from office something even their former supporters can't wait for. History judging them as at best incompetent, at worse as bad as the evil they claim to be fighting. Even more so for Cheney, who's barely above 20% approval. Frankly, I'd rather die poor and loved.

    If I were them, I'd even settle for less hated.
     
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    I think it has. Which is unfortunate, since this type of behavior is absolutely reprehensible and 24 is a god-awful show.
     
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    Is it the whole good guys defeating the bad guys that bothers you? It's kind of been a recurring theme throughout the history of mankind.
     
  16. Blue Velvet thread starter Moderator emeritus

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    If only life were so simple. No, to me, it's people being whisked away with no process of law, tortured and kept away from even the Red Cross. If you think you're the good guys, your understanding of the issues is facile.
     
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    And if you think that the other side is, then your understanding is flawed.
     
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    The idea is to lead by example.

    Only this Neocon agenda is leading our country down the toilet.

    I find it amazing that anyone is still gullible enough to support what these
    criminals are doing.
     
  19. Blue Velvet thread starter Moderator emeritus

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    Did I say that? Everyone is complicit... there are no white hats anywhere.

    And what's more, I don't even think there is 'the other side'... it's not as simple as that. Instead there's a loose coalition of interests that have their own separate agendas; some of them more justified than others.

    This infantile and unsophisticated bipolar world view is just nonsense to keep you cosy and safe with your thoughts in your beds at night. The axis of evil is hogwash and the USA is not the rebels vs. the empire.
     
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    What side are you?
     
  21. Queso macrumors G4

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    I bet you'd have loved to live in Pinochet's Chile wouldn't you?
     
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    I find your lack of faith disturbing. :cool:
     
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    If I was Pinochet, then sure.
     
  24. Queso macrumors G4

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    So what you're saying is that you want to be a brutal evil dictator who tortures, kidnaps and murders his enemies or indeed any who think differently to how you see things?

    Yep, I see how you voted Bush/Cheney now.
     
  25. Blue Velvet thread starter Moderator emeritus

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    That's no response at all. I have no faith in your administration and your corruption-riddled body-politic for good reason i.e. the track record.
     

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