Secret Service so secret you don't see them guardng the White House.

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    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fence-jumper-made-it-further-in-white-house-than-secret-service-let-on/

    Seems kinda dumb that they don't lock the door when nobody is around.
     
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    In their defense, the majority of the Secret Service team was moving with the President to Marine One. Their number one priority after all is protecting him. Alarms were triggered and there were armed Secret Service Officers after him. They could have fired but held back, because he appeared unarmed. The K-9 officer didn't release the dog because he was concerned about others in the way.

    He did certainly make it pretty close. If the President had been in the White House, they'd have most likely fired.
     
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    The guy made it pretty far into the house. Granted had the President been inside the guy would not have gotten close as the agents should be by the door. But still it seems way to easy to gain entry.
     
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    The front doors are one of the few entrances that do not have card keys. When he entered he set off alarms. The only reason they allowed him to get so far is that they did not think that he had a weapon. Not long ago a toddler breached security at the White House. The Secret Service returned the tyke to the parents without filing charges.
     
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    I think they didn't do anything to the intruder because, since Obama wasn't there anyway, they think it would have looked bad given the intruder was unarmed.

    Had Obama been there, this would have been a whole different story, I would guess.

    At the same time, I don't see why he got to run around the house like it was his so easily regardless. Seems like they need to do a better job.
     
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    They're Government Employees what did you expect? ;)
     
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    According to a Reuters article (that references a Washington Post article):

    Officers are trained to lock the front door of the White House immediately if they learn of an intruder on the grounds, however the officer posted inside the door appeared to be delayed in learning the intruder was about to come through.

    The alarm box near the entrance, designed to alert guards to an intruder, had been muted at what officers believe was the request of the usher's office.

    Gonzalez ran past the guard immediately inside the door, past the stairway leading up to the Obama family's living quarters and into the East Room, where he was tackled at the far end of the room by a counterassault agent.

    The intruder reached the doorway to the Green Room, a parlor overlooking the South Lawn, according to three people familiar with the incident.
     
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    "Run around the house like it was his"? He made it from the door across a hallway.
     
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    Based on the Washington Post article, it sounds like he made through the (exit) door and the hall, into the East Room, to the door leading into the Green Room.

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    They said he got in a lot

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    Ha ha ha! That is true.
     
  11. MacNut thread starter macrumors Core

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    Not exactly.
     
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    Let me see if I understand you... You believe the police should shoot a person who they believe is unarmed because he is trespassing?
     
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    Let's see... Random person running straight towards the White House. Now are we going to assume he's unarmed because there is no visible gun? Not like he went through pat down. He could have a bomb and just blow it up when he gets to the door. He could be hinding a gun. Bottom line you don't know what he's going to do and he should never ever ever get to the door. People shouldn't be just standing on top of the White House with guns for the hell of it. They have a job. That job protect the White House.
     
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    Actually, their job is to protect the President, the Vice President, the Speaker of the House and their families. In a couple threads the police are damned for using too much force, in this one, not enough. Interesting.
     
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    The Secret Service's Uniformed Division is in charge of protecting the physical White House grounds (and foreign diplomatic missions in D.C.)
     
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    Yeah but this ones different. This guy jumped a fence and went straight towards the White House.
     
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    No it isn't any different at all.

    This was handled in a good way.

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    No one besides one person in this thread is saying that. He is also 15 and no offence to him, but he is unexperienced about PRSI related topics.
     
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    The Secret Service isn't five or ten guys.

    It has a total employment of almost seven thousand people. Of these there are approximately 1300 officers in the uniformed division, which is responsible for protection of the physical White House building complex. (Also the Treasury and Naval Observatory) They don't move with the President, so they have no excuse for letting their guard down just because the boss is out of the office.

    The most recent incident was an unfortunate lapse, one that needs to be properly investigated, and if necessary, changes made. On the positive side, I'm somewhat relieved that the Secret Service didn't shoot and kill this guy. That would have been an image that America didn't need right now.
     
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    No one was injured. No one was killed. The police used non-lethal force to subdue him and there are people who think they should have blasted him. But if they'd shot him, this thread would have been complaining about the police state and shooting a poor man only armed with a knife.

    The US Secret also investigates forged currency, as well as other issues. When the President is moving, security shifts with him to keep that area secure. The President had just left on Marine One.

    Of course, I guess it would make people happier if I was posting that the Secret Service is incompetent. The President has weak security, etc, etc. It's not like this guy walked into the White House unobserved. They were clearly aware that he was there. They just didn't shoot him to stop him. They used restraint.
     
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    As I said before, only you seem to think that posters are saying lethal force was needed.
     
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    If Secret Service needs an extra fence to keep a dude from running riot through the White House, we need a new Secret Service, not a new fence.
     
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    And what's your plan for when he gets to the door and a bomb goes off?
     
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    They fix some plaster and repaint. Hopefully, no one killed in the action. The police in this case, made the right decision not to shoot him.

    At one time, guests at the White House could walk up unchallenged to the North Portico. President Eisenhower, often stood out there and smoked. Prior the renovations during the Truman Administration, you could still drive up to the North Portico.

    It is a shame that we now have to secure our White House and actually require a letter from your Congressman to visit.
     
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    Fence jumpers at the White House happen almost weekly. Almost every time, it's someone with mental illness.
     

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