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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by zimv20, Jul 24, 2006.
will baghdad become the berlin of the 21st century?
I'm only surprised they gave up this quickly. What do you think Bush will say? Mission Accomplished?
This will absolutely destroy the once seemingly strong hopes of keeping Turkey strongly aligned with the West. Turkey will freak the hell out about an independent Kurdistan, and there's no way that the Kurds could be agreeably lumped in with either the Sunnis or Shia in former Iraq.
That just about every "Joe six pack" and his neighbor knew where this was headed while they had to listen to this administration spin whistles in the dark just about defies about every kind of world view grid. The U.S. foreign policy is as inept as I can ever recall it being.
I think that the Bush administration doesn't have a foreign policy, and that's what's causing all the problems.
They have one. It's called "OIL".
Nice reply! How could I miss that one?
How long has everyone who wasn't a died-in-the-wool true believer in this neo-conservative foreign policy been saying that this was exactly the likely outcome of our invasion? I believe Colin Powell is reported to have told Bush before the invasion, and here I paraphrase from memory, "you break it, you bought it". Now, we have a broken country we are responsible for and no effective plan of what to do about it. What a legacy.
If there happy and we get out.. i guess its a go
At the risk of flogging a dead sheep, it's "dyed-in-the-wool"...
I can't help but feel that due to Saddam's polarizing reign, Iraq would have broken into three parts anyway. I don't think we're directly responsible for the ethnic strife that is tearing Iraq apart, but as you say, we are responsible for not having a post war plan.
Your dog has fleece.
...and they died in the wool.
I'm putting forth a motion to ban all puns from MR. All in favor say "aye"!
And sadly, the shears are missing alongside the kitchen cabinet.
You are of course correct. As always I appreciate the "" when I make a stupid error. Be comforted in that it's likely I will make more.
btw - what did you think of the topic?
Maybe, but Iraq was designed to be difficult to hold together. That was the entire point of the state. I don't think it's fair to blame Saddam for that.
I say they just draw lines now for three seperate nations and tell them IRAQ IS NO MORE. That way they all have a place to stay, the country gets divided into pas-equal-as-can-be territories and everyone can play nicely by not going into the other territories.
This whole godamn conflict is a mess. From day #1 to now.
iirc, that would leave the sunnis surrounded and without access to oil fields. i don't think they'll go for it.
Well, this'll be great! Now we can spread democracy and freedom to three countires for the price of just one!
Well then... I guess we (and they) are really up **** creek, now, eh?
Oh, that? I think the PNAC was predicated on competent war-mongering. That was their chief mistake. They thought, for one extremely foolish moment, that they were in control. As a result, the people of Iraq are faced with the dissolution of their country, and the people of the US are faced with crippling debts and worldwide distrust.
The Kurds will be very power .... they hold the most oil reserves
Oh well, as soon as we can get this trial over and Saddam shot the rest really doesn't matter does it?
The wrong leader is in the dock, that's the real problem.