Security Guard shot by Police


VulchR

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Obviously we have to wait to see how the legal system handles this, but it sounds like a godawful mistake on the part of the police, and possibly the result of racism even if implicit. I think an often ignored price we pay for the pervasive ownership, use, and misuse of guns in the US is that the police are trigger-happy because anybody could be a mortal threat.

Sad news no matter what. :(
 

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Sad news indeed, he was a good guy with a gun, putting his life at risk detaining a bad guy with a gun, who got shot and killed by other 'good guys' with a gun. My sympathies for Mr. Roberson’s family. :(

Not a lot of pro gun people here right now. Wonder how long it will take for the echo chamber to encapsulate this one? These officers were trained in situations like these and it still went south and an innocent man hero died doing his job protecting people... just like those police are supposed to do.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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Waiting for somebody to say this is a coincidence or an isolated innocent for the countless time again. :mad::mad::mad:
 

BoxerGT2.5

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This is the scenario that every advocate for conceal carry wants to avoid talking about, although it is admittedly very rare. When the cops arrive they don't know who's good and who's bad, they just see a person with a gun and during a time where seconds matter and their lives hang in the balance as well, they don't have time to ask questions. I think it's a bit premature to claim race had anything to do with it.
 

JayMysterio

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I had not posted in this thread as I initially mentioned in 'the adventures while black' thread earlier. Since this thread is specifically about this incident, I'll put additional info here.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/11/12/18088874/jemel-roberson-police-shooting-security-guard-illinois
In preliminary findings released on Tuesday, Illinois State Police (which is tasked with investigating the shooting) argued that the officer gave Roberson “multiple verbal commands” to drop his weapon before opening fire. “According to witness statements, the Midlothian Officer gave the armed subject multiple verbal commands to drop the gun and get on the ground before ultimately discharging his weapon and striking the subject,” state police said in a statement.

The agency added that Roberson was not wearing anything that identified him as a security guard. Gregory Kulis, a lawyer representing Roberson’s mother in a civil rights lawsuit filed after the shooting, said that Roberson had a hat with the words “SECURITY” on it.
As the shooting unfolded, Roberson was a “good guy with a gun.” It didn’t matter.

Coverage of Roberson’s shooting has focused on exactly how long it took the officer to use his weapon after he arrived at the scene, and what commands, if any, were made before he opened fire. Witness statements provided to media have suggested that the officer involved in the shooting did not react to cries that Roberson was a security guard. But the statement from the state police argues that the responding officer had no way to know Roberson was security and that he only fired after Roberson did not respond to commands.

Dorian Myrickes, a colleague of Roberson’s and one of the people injured in the initial gunfight, told the Associated Press on Wednesday that he did not hear the police officer issue any commands.

“I never heard the cop demand him to do anything, (but) everybody was telling him (Jemel) was security,” Myrickes told the AP.

The AP reports that video footage of the shooting could help clear up some details, but it is unclear if that footage exists. Kulis, the lawyer representing Roberson’s family, has filed a motion with a judge that seeks to preserve any footage the departments may have.

The shooting has prompted confusion and anger among those who knew Roberson. “How in the world does the security guard get shot by police?” asked Walter Turner, a pastor at Chicago’s New Spiritual Light Baptist Church, one of several churches where Roberson assisted as a musician, during an interview with ABC7 Chicago. “A young man that was literally doing his job and now he’s gone.”

Others who knew Roberson say that the shooting reinforces their belief that police are too quick to use force. “It’s the continued narrative that we see of shoot first, ask questions later,” said Rev. LeAundre Hill of Purposed Church, another church where Roberson assisted, told WGN.
 

GermanSuplex

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What we need is a more advanced class of patrollers who police the police. A class who protect and serve those who protect and serve.

More guns. :rolleyes:

Really, don’t be black while doing anything but nodding and saying “yessir” or “no mam”. The more things change...
 
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JayMysterio

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This is what you call "got in the line of fire".. Not everything is about racism.
If you mean 'they moved the line of fire' directly to the security guard yes, then you'd be right.

Since one thing hasn't been made clear, such as if the officers were wearing body ( which seems to happen a lot if they are wearing it, it suddenly shuts off, or they are of the few officers NOT wearing ones that day ) cameras. So we can't corroborate either side's story. It's going to come down to an age old adage by the police when a PoC is involved, blame the victim. While hurdles Godzilla can walk under will be in place for the victim ( who is still dead ) to hurdle. Because it's awfully interesting that the 4 men who caused the ruckus that facilitated calling the police, are still alive. While the good guy with a gun who did his job & saved lives, managed to get killed by that very same police. What are the random chances of that?

What's equally mystifying ( note: this would be the part one should note sarcasm ), the literal deafening silence of the NRA. This is the literal instance they've harped upon. A good guy with a gun, stops bad guys. But oh wait, there's two mitigating factors that they NRA has shown consistency in sidestepping. It involved a gun owner who is black, and it could criticize law enforcement. Gah! :mad:

So yes, you are right, not everything is about racism. If it can be shown that the police reacted once again based on the person's skin color in a manner that they haven't with others, one can make the assumption race is somewhat involved.

Just ask Tamir Rice.
 

GermanSuplex

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This is what you call "got in the line of fire".. Not everything is about racism.
No, not everything is, but some would have you believe NOTHING is about racism.

Give me three examples of black people calling the cops on innocent white people selling lemonade, reaching for their ID, or being a good guy with a gun?

Somewhere between nothing and everything is something. I'm willing to believe this was not about racism, but its clearly not a case of a good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun.
 

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If only the good guys with guns would recognize that sometimes, the bad guys wear badges, and preemptive tactics are warranted.
 
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VulchR

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why not?

Isn't the Second Amendment's primary purpose to break the "legitimate" monopoly on violence? To allow us to resist the power of tyranny?
Sorry but my sarcasm detector is dodgy at best.

The founding fathers were no fans of insurrection or treason. The purpose of the second amendment might have been to help fight off invading powers (a foreign-imposed tyranny), or to suppress slave revolts, but it was never intended to promote violence against the US government.
 
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