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    Venezuela: Hundreds of thousands take part in rival marches

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-37243191

    Clear example of yet another attempt to make socialism work. How many people have to suffer while the socialist keep trying the same thing over and over again.

    Leaders that won't stop while their people suffer.
     
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    You're confusing socialism with dictatorship. One does not entail the other.
     
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    America's real future, live on the web: more uninformed fact free posts from Karl and his gang of trumpets.
     
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    As there are an infinite number of possibilities, not too worried. Thanks.
     
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    Anyone can make the same case for any government anywhere, just for differing reasons.

    And not all countries are socialist.

    There are socialist countries that are higher in happiness/quality of life lists than the US - if any of those are socialist and there is no proof that their people are coerced, unlike situations like this one, then your point is sufficiently refuted.



    Remember the chant "We're #37!!!", for example? Oh, wait, that was the WHO chart for best health care.

    Still, when politicians tell us about that concept called "competing", maybe the US can finally stop being lazy and try to compete with* Norway, Denmark, and other countries higher on the legitimately happy/higher quality of life lists instead of this backwards downwards spiral use to create a repeating cycle? ;)


    * "with" or "against", does the meaning change? Why or why not?
     
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    Your post are laughable at best.
     
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    Somalia, South-Sudan and the Kongo: See a version of the future if small-goverment/state-rights nutjobs take over.....
     
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    It's more about one view being pushed well after the results should be clear. The people in power can't provide food for the people, yet they still continue down the same road.

    At some point, they should be able to admit that things aren't working out and they need to change direction, yet they don't.

    They took a reasonably functional system and destroyed it. Same thing happened with Rome and many other nations.
     
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    The same could be said about 80's era Republicans, through to today.
     
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    A good example of mixing different views. Reagan never got his plan thru congress, he got "1/2 a loaf" and the theory after that was "1/2 a loaf was better than none". So we'll never know how things would have been if Reagan got what he wanted.
     
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    Hmmm...sounds familiar, and recent.....
     
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    Yes, we ultimately did get to see the havoc deregulation and supply-side economics unleashed on our economy. By the crash of 2008, what was missing from his "plan"? It looked pretty well complete by the turn of the centruy.
     
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    If this is a reference to what Obama got, Obama won, he got what he asked for. No president ever got more of what they wanted than Obama. ObamaCare was HIS plan, it passed. He got the stim package. Obama said it would work, now we see the results.
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    Clinton really did a number on the economy. His whole "everyone gets a house" worked great didn't it?

    He even got to blame it on W.
     
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    Are you talking about the Community Reinvestment Act? Only about 6% of home loans were covered under the CRA during that time. The crash came as a result of deregulated markets, middle class and wealthy people over-extending themselves, and compounded speculation on those loans. The CRA had little, if anything to do with the housing crisis.
     
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    The standard rules where changed. Rules that worked for many years, were changed under Clinton. The results were a housing bubble. There's also the issue of rising costs of building homes making it more expensive to add to the supply of houses.
     
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    The rules for what?
     
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    Loan qualification rules. Things like income verification, down payment, etc...

    These were changed in part because it was found the certain people would be left out of the process.
     
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    And what did Clinton have to do with these deregulated home loan qualifications? Do you know what caused them to change?
     
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    No, don't throw a bunch of links up. that doesn't answer my questions. I want you to tell me in your own words. What caused lending rules to change? I don't think you understand what happened.

    I have already established that only 6% of home loans were covered under the CRA at the time. Obviously, even with full 6% total loss, that small amount of money would not come close to crashing the U.S. economy, let alone world markets. What else happened during that time? Can you tell me in your own words?
     
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    How would "my own words" change anything? What happened, happened. My words won't change any of the facts.

    Either way, this is getting off topic and I've already been warned about going off topic and most of things just seem to go around in circles with nothing gained.
     
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    You haven't presented any parsed facts to support the idea of this supposed number Clinton did on our economy. You haven't explained why he is uniquely responsible for our economic problems and for the housing bubble. I think you haven't, because you don't know. I have explained why he wasn't uniquely responsible, because I do understand what happened during that time.

    Anyone can post a link they found through Google. Only intelligent and educated people will discuss the finer points. I expect people to be able to back up accusations they make, as I always will. The Mods here insist as well. We can leave it there, if you like.
     
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    The source was supplied, I don't need to "parse" the facts, the facts are there. You may or may not agree with the facts, but the roots of the housing bubble go way back. It might have burst on W's watch, but that doesn't mean W caused it. Bill's name is on the bill that became law and changed a banking system that worked for decades. He even admitted he was wrong on one of the biggest parts of the bill.



    Again, this is getting off topic and the mods are cracking down on getting off topic, I think these things have been discussed before and not much has ever been gained with these "discussions".
     
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    Go way back to what?

    A bill you cannot name?
     
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    Did you not watch the video, does the name of a bill actually change the fact the Bill Clinton was the one that signed it, the same Bill Clinton that admitted it was a mistake.

    You really need someone to parse facts and add names for you?

    Looks like this is just another run round in circles "discussion".
     

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