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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Thomas Veil, Sep 29, 2009.
So now where are we left?
Why don't they just scrap everything and start over from scratch.
What will that change? This same **** will keep happening. What a pathetic country.
Unfair practices by Insurance Companies? What about State medical programs that confiscate property to pay for medical expenses?
Besides, no health care reform can exist without tort reform
Some senator on CNN says it is not over.
I hope to god it is not.
Why do you guys act like the two are mutually exclusive?
Mark my words- this bill won't pass, and this is the last you'll hear about health care for the remainder of this administration. It's the second coming of the Clinton administration. DADT and DOMA also won't go anywhere. The GOP will get more of what they want than Dems will get.
And the GOP will do anything to crucify Obama's character, even when he does what they want.
So we're going with the plan that doesn't change anything except stick people in jail for not paying fines for not being able to afford health insurance/provide the health industry with free customers unless they want to go to jail.
The Chinese to pull strings on the debt to force it.
I'm serious. In the long run it'll bankrupt the US if you guys don't get healthcare reform so its probably worth their while. It looks like the only way the environment will get "solved" in the US too.
The risk is the Chinese don't bother.
The system will have to collapse, even then you'll still have people crying socialism.
To add at least on the environment if the debt was pulled the US economy would fall over - thus meaning they would produce less pollution naturally.
I'm serious. It'll have to be a total collapse of the US. Don't think it can't happen. We're well on our way.
Socialism my ass. What is making this possible is years and years of increasingly powerful corporations buying our government. That, and a lot of propaganda from the hate media.
This is extremely far from socialism.
You know us, we will kick and scream fighting change right up until something terrible happens, then we're all on board.
This country has NO foresight at all. Again, pathetic.
Of course. I think most people know that as well. They just don't want to admit that they are wrong.
This is bill is a steaming pile of s***. I urge everybody to write your congressman.
I don't think even then. If the Devil himself, horned and holding a pitchfork, bedecked in red and standing in the middle of flames, welcomed people into Hell and told 'em it was Heaven, a lot of us would walk straight in, eyes wide open, expecting to meet the Lord.
If you had billions to fill their pockets come election time you'd be in the running. It will be interesting to see how many contributions Baucus gets during his next run. Corporations intertwined in the government is about the only thing that makes me sick. For the people my ass.
This way of thinking reeks of the image of a poker player that gets a bad hand and screams "Mulligan".
Besides, even if the bill WAS restarted and we ended up with something anywhere near similar, you (people) would cry "start over" again.
You're right. Because this bill is crap and needs to be defeated. It's a feel-good, do-nothing bill. If they sent us another like it- you're damn right we'd be angry.
This isn't going to be restarted unless the president comes down hard on congress. Theres no way it will survive, its been flapping in the wind too long.
What most likely will happen is we will pass a halfass bill that does nothing, but give the insurance companies a free handout, which in turn gives a few select dems a nice amount of money to win their next campaign.
If there is a failure then Obama or his non-far right strategies will still be (wrongly) blamed for the failure.
Oh no...if there's a mandate to get coverage, yet it does little or nothing to fund that coverage, then it'll be a huge windfall to the insurance companies. It'll end up doing exactly the opposite of what it was intended to do.
I agree with you Lee.
I meant to refer to the sentiment of those that don't want any healthcare reform of any substance and that the "start over" tactic is one of delays only.
The US is probably the most ****ed country if there's no oil left.