Senate Finance Committee shoots down the public option

Thomas Veil

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Breaking.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Senate Finance Committee on Tuesday rejected two amendments to include a government-run public health insurance option in the only compromise health care bill so far.

The amendments by Democratic Sens. Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia and Charles Schumer of New York were opposed by all 10 Republicans on the committee and a few Democrats, including committee Chairman Sen. Max Baucus of Montana.

Baucus explained that he liked much about the idea of a public option but that he knew a health care bill containing the provision would fail to win enough support in the full Senate to overcome a Republican filibuster.

"I fear if this provision is in the bill, it will hold back meaningful reform this year," Baucus said.

Rockefeller said that unfair practices by insurance companies required a not-for-profit alternative that would give consumers a lower-cost option and, in some cases, the only coverage they could get....

In efforts to bridge differences, the Finance Committee proposal dropped the public insurance option and a mandate for all employers to provide health coverage. It would require individuals to have coverage or face a fine of up to $1,900 for a family of four but includes subsidies to help low- and middle-income Americans obtain health care plans.
Wusses.
 

Shivetya

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Awesome!

Unfair practices by Insurance Companies? What about State medical programs that confiscate property to pay for medical expenses?

Besides, no health care reform can exist without tort reform
 

leekohler

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Why don't they just scrap everything and start over from scratch.
Mark my words- this bill won't pass, and this is the last you'll hear about health care for the remainder of this administration. It's the second coming of the Clinton administration. DADT and DOMA also won't go anywhere. The GOP will get more of what they want than Dems will get.

And the GOP will do anything to crucify Obama's character, even when he does what they want.
 

Zombie Acorn

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So we're going with the plan that doesn't change anything except stick people in jail for not paying fines for not being able to afford health insurance/provide the health industry with free customers unless they want to go to jail. :)
 

Eraserhead

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So now where are we left?:confused::(
The Chinese to pull strings on the debt to force it.

I'm serious. In the long run it'll bankrupt the US if you guys don't get healthcare reform so its probably worth their while. It looks like the only way the environment will get "solved" in the US too.

The risk is the Chinese don't bother.
 

leekohler

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The Chinese to pull strings on the debt to force it.

I'm serious. In the long run it'll bankrupt the US if you guys don't get healthcare reform so its probably worth their while. It looks like the only way the environment will get "solved" in the US too.
The system will have to collapse, even then you'll still have people crying socialism. :mad::rolleyes:
 

Thomas Veil

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The system will have to collapse, even then you'll still have people crying socialism. :mad::rolleyes:
Socialism my ass. :mad: What is making this possible is years and years of increasingly powerful corporations buying our government. That, and a lot of propaganda from the hate media.

This is extremely far from socialism.
 

NT1440

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I'm serious. It'll have to be a total collapse of the US. Don't think it can't happen. We're well on our way.
You know us, we will kick and scream fighting change right up until something terrible happens, then we're all on board.

This country has NO foresight at all. Again, pathetic.
 

leekohler

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Socialism my ass. :mad: What is making this possible is years and years of increasingly powerful corporations buying our government. That, and a lot of propaganda from the hate media.

This is extremely far from socialism.
Of course. I think most people know that as well. They just don't want to admit that they are wrong.

This is bill is a steaming pile of s***. I urge everybody to write your congressman.
 

Thomas Veil

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You know us, we will kick and scream fighting change right up until something terrible happens, then we're all on board.
I don't think even then. If the Devil himself, horned and holding a pitchfork, bedecked in red and standing in the middle of flames, welcomed people into Hell and told 'em it was Heaven, a lot of us would walk straight in, eyes wide open, expecting to meet the Lord.
 

Zombie Acorn

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Socialism my ass. :mad: What is making this possible is years and years of increasingly powerful corporations buying our government. That, and a lot of propaganda from the hate media.

This is extremely far from socialism.
If you had billions to fill their pockets come election time you'd be in the running. :D It will be interesting to see how many contributions Baucus gets during his next run. Corporations intertwined in the government is about the only thing that makes me sick. For the people my ass.
 

bobber205

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Why don't they just scrap everything and start over from scratch.
This way of thinking reeks of the image of a poker player that gets a bad hand and screams "Mulligan".

Besides, even if the bill WAS restarted and we ended up with something anywhere near similar, you (people) would cry "start over" again.
 

leekohler

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This way of thinking reeks of the image of a poker player that gets a bad hand and screams "Mulligan".

Besides, even if the bill WAS restarted and we ended up with something anywhere near similar, you (people) would cry "start over" again.
You're right. Because this bill is crap and needs to be defeated. It's a feel-good, do-nothing bill. If they sent us another like it- you're damn right we'd be angry.
 

Zombie Acorn

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This way of thinking reeks of the image of a poker player that gets a bad hand and screams "Mulligan".

Besides, even if the bill WAS restarted and we ended up with something anywhere near similar, you (people) would cry "start over" again.
This isn't going to be restarted unless the president comes down hard on congress. Theres no way it will survive, its been flapping in the wind too long.

What most likely will happen is we will pass a halfass bill that does nothing, but give the insurance companies a free handout, which in turn gives a few select dems a nice amount of money to win their next campaign.
 

bobber205

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You're right. Because this bill is crap and needs to be defeated. It's a feel-good, do-nothing bill. If they sent us another like it- you're damn right we'd be angry.
I agree with you Lee.
I meant to refer to the sentiment of those that don't want any healthcare reform of any substance and that the "start over" tactic is one of delays only.