Senator Rand Paul says a great healthcare plan coming

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  1. Rogifan macrumors Core

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    Trump tweeted this morning:

    To which Rand Paul replied:

    So Rand Paul has been working with Trump for months on some secret healthcare plan that’s going to be so great for millions of Americans. But apparently not great enough that it could get 51 votes in the Senate. And now Rand Paul apparently supports policy being implemented by executive order. Something all Republicans complained about when Obama was president. o_O
     
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    Yes, we complained about it when Obama did it and many of us are still not happy with having to do it. The problem is on both sides in that the ones not willing to actually negotiate, work together and put the interests of the country and it's people who already voted and stated what they are in support of need to go.
     
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    Republicans didn’t need the other side to do repeal and replace. But they couldn’t even muster 51 votes. Why didn’t Rand Paul put out his own proposal (with details) and ask leadership to consider it?
     
  5. DearthnVader macrumors 6502a

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    Senator Paul should know better, I do not support legislation by executive action.

    Not when the guy I voted for does it, not when the guy I don't vote for does it, not when anyone does it.

    Executive action, EO, must be supported by the law, it is not to be used to create, or outright subvert laws duly enacted by Congress and signed into law by a sitting President.
     
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    So good it’ll have to pass before we know what’s in it. Did they not learn from Pelosi? Is it not enough to overturn all of Obama’s and the dems laws, they now have to out-gaffe them as well?
     
  7. Rogifan thread starter macrumors Core

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    Rand Paul made sure no legislative fix could happen and now wants to take credit for some executive order (that probably isn’t as big as they’re making it out to be). If this is so great (and can be done by EO) why did it take 9+ months to happen?
     
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    Senator Paul and I often see eye to eye on a lot of issue, when I live in KY, I voted for him. However, this is an issue than makes me want to beat him around the head and neck with the Constitution.
     
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    Health care is about what you get for what you pay. The issue is that good health care is too expensive for many people, however the part of the Republican Party who put the kabash on the last couple of Congressional attempts don’t want the government to subsidize health plans, and consequently have been squeezing out turds and then sprinkling sugar on them, but the bottom line is what people would lose. It remains to be seen what the new turd will look like.
     
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    A lot or people think he’s playing this purity card so he can be against Obamacare knowing it will never actually be repealed. Isn’t Kentucky a big medicaid expansion state?
     
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    Once you are a sitting Senator on the Republican ticket in the state of KY, you can pretty much ignore the needs of the poor and the middle class, so long as you don't support gun control, you're golden.
     
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    Since when has hypocrisy stopped Republicans?
    Trump has ratcheted it up exponentially.
     
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    Rand Paul is flat out against any involvement of the government in health care, so it is somewhat mysterious that he is now touting a new plan. And he's also adopting Trump's empty, exaggerated rhetoric by saying how "great" the plan is.
     
  14. Zwopple macrumors regular

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    The GOP started this on January 20th, 2009 against Obama. The ACA was crafted with an extended hand, not necessarily an open embrace but an extended hand willing to take consideration, hearings etc...

    The GOP has yet to actually engage a single Democrat in sort of talks or crafting of a "Repeal and Place". But I guess that's because they had fantastic alternatives for the past 7 years beside just "Repeal"?

    Worse the GOP is playing the same hand with Tax Reform refusing to even bring a few Democrats into the room. Ridiculous.
     
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    Don't let the Republicans brand a tax cut for rich people as "fixing healthcare".
     
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    While the Dems need some organization, the Repubs have turned into a party of complete hypocrisy.
     
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    So now healthcare can be taken away when the next president undoes all of Trumps executive orders in one fell swoop.
     
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    Trump is so desperate to accomplish something - anything. And millions of people will wind up paying for his spite.
     
  20. mac_in_tosh macrumors 6502

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    Right, which is why Congress should pass bipartisan health care legislation, which will involve some compromise but at least might be sustainable against a change in the majority party each election cycle.

    And I have a feeling that Trump's executive orders will be taking away health care.
     
  21. MacNut macrumors Core

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    We already are paying for it.
     
  22. Rogifan thread starter macrumors Core

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    So apparently the big plan is an just an EO allowing insurance to be sold across state lines. I agree with this (though not by EO) but there’s so much more that needs to be done to fix health care in the United States. Seems like this is the only answer Republicans have; just like the 90s when every answer to healthcare was tort reform. I work for a health insurance company and our stock is currently down 2% today so Wall Street obviously doesn’t think this is a huge deal.

     
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    Again - Trump just wants some "check mark" in his column. He's failing miserable. So much so that he thinks an approval rating in the 30s is pretty good.
     
  24. BaldiMac macrumors 604

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    Insurance across state lines can be a disaster. Basically, the result will eventually be that all insurance companies move to the state with the fewest consumer protections and highest insurance company profits. The ACA's minimum requirements will protect against that to some extent, but what will happen if/when they are repealed?

    (And then there is the hypocrisy of Republicans overriding states' rights through an executive order. Shameful.)
     
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    Right because he's going to split the insurance market again: we'll get the broke but healthy young people buying el cheapo policies that cover very close to nothing-- and those insurance companies get to claim on those late late late show ads that "more people buy AmazinglyGood health care policies than almost any other comparable plan"-- but we also get older and sicker people trying to buy real coverage that costs an arm and a leg if not a second mortgage when it comes to the deductibles and exclusions. There's no way those two markets allow insurance companies to have a reliable risk pool for middle of road coverage. So there goes actual health care coverage all over again, we're back to the 90s when money talked, all others hitchhiked or drove themselves to the ER in extremis... except now there are fewer people with a whole lot more money and a lot of people with almost no money.

    But hey, to a libertarian, it's all good. You get to buy what you want if you can afford it. Health care is the same as a car or a house or a TV or, you know, whatever you decide on: rice, or beans?

    And as for Trump, he'll tweet that he "solved" the health care problem for once and for all. I'd expect no less from a guy who lies 24/7 about big and little things alike.
     

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