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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by windywoo, Jul 26, 2009.
Gosh, there really is beginning to be an app for everything. I'm surprised it is a best seller though.
Literally yes. I guess a lot of people especially parents are curious about their creepy neighbors that might turn out to be sex offenders.
...and I can litterally be at one of their doorsteps in 1 minute. There are some scarey looking people pictured in there.
Someone on another site was questioning the legality of this app when there really is nothing illegal about it. None of the people pictured are being violated in anyway. This app ust pulls the info for the sexual predators website and makes it easy to find based on your location.
Hopefully, someone doesn't get a crazy idea by taking things into their own hands in trying to cause problems for these people. These guys aren't worth going to jail for. I'm sure a few of them probably shouldn't be listed but ust are due to circumstances.
The comments on that site make a pretty convincing argument for why these lists are a bad idea. Someone only has to see you taking a piss in public and report you and you're on the list.
I saw this app in the top free section earlier today and downloaded it out of curiosity. I know it's the lite version, but what's scary isn't the fact that only three are allowed with this version, but that there could be more if I choose to buy the full version. Not too sure I'm gonna be taking that .99 plunge though. Has anyone gotten the full version of it yet?
Yes, I have the full version and there are hundreds and hundreds of them. As you move around your city, the list changes to reflect where you are.
I think there are 100 listed in your general area with the full version. As you move around then it updates the list with another 100.
Map of my area :
I wonder what would happen if someone used this app to hassle an offender? Would Apple remove the app and side with the offender and risk being seen as "pro-sex offenders"?
It's already illegal. You can't sell people's personal information for profit, whether or not they've peed in public or raped a baby.
I think this one will ride the wave of publicity for a week or two, and then fade into the background like a lot of apps do.
I read the comments on the site and felt the same as you. However, I spent 20 minutes or so browsing the DOJ site at random and couldn't find anyone on the lists who hadn't committed a pretty nasty offense. I don't think urinating in public should get you on the registry but I also think the vast majority of people on the list have committed at least one "genuine" sexual offense.
Whether this should be available as an iPhone app is another question entirely...
what's in the app is nothing more than you can get by using a computer and the web.... it's all out there.... the app just makes it easier than using safari.... nothing illegal about it....
As others have said, "sex offender" has become such a broad term that it really doesn't mean anything any longer. As a result, these lists don't serve to protect anyone (if they ever did). I work in the criminal justice system and it's quite obvious that offender registry serves as an added punishment, and it is entirely inappropriate in many cases (pointless in all cases, IMO). At best, it makes the public feel better and wins points for politicians.
I think both selling this app and buying it is rather pathetic. The seller is profiting off of people's irrational fears and curiosities with full knowledge that this information is available over the internet. If an iPhone owner really wants to know where sex offenders are living, open a web browser on a computer. Is this really something people need to have in the palm of their hand at all times? I'm shocked that these apps are downloaded so much and this speaks to people's ignorance.
The illegal part is that the developer is making money by distribution people's personal information. It would be legal if it were free.
It's the same reason why Routesy Bay Area went down. However unfortunate it may be, you can't sell people's personal information or public domain information.
I've heard and even sympathized with that point of view, but here's a challenge for you: Find one person on one of those registries whose crime was public urination, or even indecent exposure.
I tried, and surprised myself that I couldn't find any. That's no guarantee it doesn't happen, but it doesn't seem common.
I'm still of strongly mixed feelings about lists like this, and lean towards opposing. All I am saying is that I could not substantiate for myself the "harmless offenders branded for life" argument against them.
This is OT, but that is not why Routesy went away. Routesy went away because the City of SF wrote a bad contract that allowed a private company to assert a copyright claim over public information collected and funded using public money. In a rare display of non-dickishness, Muni representatives are on record as objecting to this and regarding arrival times of the public's transit system as owned by the public that pays for it. They prefer more ways to access that information, not fewer.
What's the difference between this and Google?
He's just making the interface. Not providing the data. If what you say is "illegal" then all internet browsers should be banned!
But he's charging for a service that already exists for free, and it's illegal to charge people solely to access other peoples personal information.
The difference between this and Google is Google is free. And no it doesn't mean internet browsers should be banned, where on God's earth did you get that idea from? Purchasable browsers access a lot more than personal information; read the "solely" bit above.
Let's say I pay for the nonexistent Firefox Pro which is the same exact thing as Firefox except faster. And, for some reason it only loads the sex offender database website. Sounds very illegal to me.
Google charges marketers to present you "free" information. It's not "free" technically. It uses your screen real-estate. That also costs your attention.
Also browsers...you think they make it "free" for fun? Enter a search term on the right corner box and look at the URL. It tells the search engine to pay the browser maker X cents every time you use it. That's called a "lead" if I'm not mistaken.
The DATA is publically available and FREE to access. The interface software is NOT.
You can make a web site that lists all the sex offenders by a snazzy table or printable reports with awesome maps. Subscription? Advertisements? All legal.
How about an iPhone App that presents it in a mobile fashion? Same thing.
Unless a government website says that you can only view this information via .gov websites then there is no problem. Otherwise, why would they even make the database available for custom access?
Really? That's more like public defacement I would figure. But I suppose it depends on the "angle" lol.
I wonder if some ppl get convicted for giving a minor a porno magazine or something stupid like that. I suppose that's a "crime" like giving them alcohol. But it happens a lot and might just take one really bent up parent to "register" someone for that.