Shepard Fairey's new image for the Sanders campaign just shouts in unison "National Socialism!"

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    You obviously don't understand what national socialism is.

    *sigh*

    It's going to be a long ten months.
     
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    Has Bernie endorsed this image? Is he selling it? Or is this just very fancy "fan art"?
     
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    That image is awful. Way too busy. Reminds me of a television test pattern. I hope Bernie didn't pay too much for it.

    I like Fairey's Led Zeppelin graphic on the Wikipedia page. I didn't know he created that.
     
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    Hope/Change took off because they were simple. Whatever that is, besides ugly, is not.
     
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    Just seeing that makes me want to goose step to the voting booth.
     
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    I'm sure he's thrilled to have the guy who made Obama's HOPE graphic on-board. And Fairey's happy to regift his Red Hot Chili Peppers concert poster to Bern.
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    Someone clearly hasn't got a clue what "National Socialism" is....... I'm very sure its Bernie Sanders isn't a National Socialist.

    Additionally the styling of that poster is more intune with the earlier Socialist propaganda of the USSR, which had graphic styling and focused on images with 2 or 3 colours.

    National Socialist propganda was normally much more realist in their styling, which came much later in socialist propaganda.

    Source: I collect propaganda from the Socialist areas with a specific interest in the 1930's to the 1950's.
     
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    If anything, I'd say it's an Art Deco take on classic campaign posters, which makes it pretty solidly Americana.
     
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    You've probably seen this before, but I love the video's constructivist imagery. The director is a genius.


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    Definitely an art deco influence.
     
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    Excellent article.

    When you get right down to it, Sanders is a 40's-50's style Republican with a couple of new ideas. Yeah, he does lean towards socialism in some ways, but that's hardly a new thing here in the US. All things considered, his platform is only slightly more socialist than Nixon.

    Calling Sanders a left-wing radical is less a condemnation of him, and more one of our current political environment.
     
  14. sim667, Feb 19, 2016
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    Art deco is from France, not the US.

    And no, its not art deco in the strictest sense. Although there may be influence, as art deco also influenced the propaganda era.

    To me, its much more this type of style, with a slight American twist, like the buildings in NY (and probably other cities).

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    I thought americana is just tat, thats older than about 30 years old.

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    I haven't but Ill check it out..... thanks.

    We've just had an exhibition in London about the russian space program..... some of the early artwork from that was fascinating.

    e2a: That video/song is absolutely ridiculous, but I like the ideas behind the styling.
     
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    Yeah, Art Deco did get its start in Europe, though it had a MASSIVE influence in the US at the time.

    The reason why I think it tends more towards Deco than the old Soviet propaganda posters (which were also heavily influenced) is because it's a little more angular and abstract, harkening back more to the root of the style.

    Like this...

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    They're all pretty similar when you get right down to it, though.
     
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    I see your point, but I would say the aspect of "glorification" involved is much more a propagandist style...... The eagle in the middle kind of signifying the US.

    American art deco to my mind is really a mish mash of early art deco, brutalism and elements of the bauhaus movement and possibly a smattering of early constructivism in some examples.

    I think maybe what I consider Art Deco, is probably a bit more organic early style than what you consider art deco....... Probably because I'm an hour and a half train ride from Paris, rather than a 12 hour flight.


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    Its definitely not "Americana" though.
     
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    It's got all the classic campaign symbols in it. Lady Liberty, the stars and stripes, red, white and blue color scheme. It rides the line between the two, but I'd say it falls just to the side of classic style Deco than it does the Soviet propaganda posters.

    No, that's Art Nouveau, and it's definitely not Americana. That style never picked up much here beyond Tiffany's glasswork (though it did eventually have a huge influence on comic book art), though it's all over the place in Europe.

    Art Deco did grow out of that style, though.
     
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    Full on art nouveau is much more organic than that........ the example I posted really is the crossover, its got much less detail than art nouveau, but still retains some of the bendiness.

    Art nouveau is really detailed and ornate in comparison.
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    Anyway, this really just semantics and interpretation now ;)

    But just to clarify, art deco isn't americana...... Americana is just old tat your nan in Pennsyvlania is throwing out that you reckon you can make a couple of dollars on.

    And its certainly not National Socialist styling as allured to in the OP...... Socialists and NS are sworn enemies ffs
     
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    Pretty much. :p

    Art Nouveau covers a much wider range of styles than Deco does, and while they all have a common line that makes them all identifiable as Nouveau (that bendiness you were talking about), it can run from really angular, all the way to incredibly loose and weird.

    I'd say the best example of it would be La Sagrata Familia, cuz it throws in a little bit of everything involving the style.

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    I think of Americana as the imagery in the poster, not the style itself.

    And no, it's not Nazi in the least.
     
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    Sagrada Familia is one of my favourite buildings, my parents live just an hour north of Barcelona, so I've been about 20 times over the last 25 years or so and have seen it slowly, slowly, slowly have bits added to it. Id say Casa Batllo is more a typical example, although they're all Gaudi interpretations of the Movement, so not quite so typical as other artists of that era.

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    So, my takeaway is that Conservatives really ought to stay away from the entire subject of artistic criticism.

    Which makes a certain amount of sense. The conservative brain is fundamentally incapable of dealing with the nuance and multiple meaning inherent in any sort of art. Which is why you get Republican Presidential candidates thinking that "Born in the USA" and "Pink Houses" would be good campaign songs.

    We already know that science has an inherently liberal bias. We probably can add to that history, literature, music, medicine, economics, physics, philosophy, and ethics.

    Which probably just leaves food, firearms and motor vehicles. I'll gladly defer to my conservative friends judgement on these topics.
     
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    When I think of typical examples of the style, besides what you'd see in Paris anyway, I think of Horta, and Mucha. They're the standard to me. Gaudi, like you said, took the curviness of it all a lot farther than most everyone else. Made it a lot more organic.
     
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    "Nihilists! F**k me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos."

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    "Hey, nice marmot."
     

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