Sheryl Sandberg Launches 'Ban Bossy' Campaign to Empower Girls to Lead

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    Sheryl Sandberg Launches 'Ban Bossy' Campaign to Empower Girls to Lead

    Thoughts on this? Should we really be banning words?
     
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    I lean towards thinking the ones who lead succeed despite what is said about them.
     
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    Isn't being bossy what makes them succeed? How many timid people lead?
     
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    I doubt she's trying to change how women behave - she's trying to change how women in leadership positions are perceived. "Bossy" is a pejorative, not an accolade. I think she wants "bossy" women to be respected and admired - part of that is by making people think about how they view such women as compared to men, by brining attention to the vocabulary used in regards to them. (Not to say that men aren't immune to perjoratives as well - think how many times Jobs and Musk been called jerks, dicks, a holes or the like...)
     
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    Isn't it ironic? Dont'cha think.
     
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    I think you are proving her point.

    It's like the whole slut vs ladies man thing.
     
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    Yes, that seems to be the point. That bossy people are those that take charge but since women are actively discouraged from being bossy, they are also discouraged from becoming leaders.


    There's a mixed history of changing words to escape the meaning, only to find the same meaning in the new word. Crippled was deemed to harsh so we have handicap. Handicap was deepmed unsupportive, so we have special. I dare you to find a parent who would be happy with their child being called special.

    The interesting part here is they are not offering an alternative. In theory, the word will fall out of favor and not be replaced. But if society is not yet ready for teaching formerly masculine values to girls, other ways will be found to discourage them. But I would be surprised if the teacher in her example wasn't female.
     
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    New Speak. Manipulation of language to limit and control thought.
     
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    Sounds exactly like calling a man a ladies man for sleeping with lots of women and calling a woman a slut for the same behaviour.

    So it seems very much like old speak to me.

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    They get that reputation for behaving pretty awfully though.
     
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    Yes, but a male that works out is a meathead regardless of his actual intelligence.

    Banning a word gives it more power. This is silly.

     
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    It's not a language thing. It's a culture thing and mating thing. Pretty much the world over the majority of men don't like placing their penis in frequently used vaginas.

    Do you? Doubt it.

    Doesn't take much to be a so-called "slut". Just a vagina and a willingness to spread legs open. Even the most heinous crack whore can make rent money.

    Likewise you don't see the same aversion shown by women toward men with lots of sexual partners, as a man that is able to accumulate many sexual partners will generally have numerous desirable qualities that are not totally physical.

    It's not language manipulation, it's mate selection, mate suitability and competition that make sexual distinctions like you're referring to.
     
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    I guess that's why prostitutes are a figment of the imagination.

    I couldn't give a damn, I'm much more worried about more important matters such as whether our personalities are compatible, whether we are sexually compatible or how attractive they are.

    Thanks for proving my point.

    Surely the same applies in reverse, or are you also patronising all men as being unable to resist any female charm at all?

    You have to work out really quite a lot to be called a meathead, you have to be much further outside the norm than to be called a slut as a girl. It'd be like calling a girl a slut for taking a different guy home each day of the week.
     
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    But a frequently used penis is a point of pride.

    The same frequency of sexual activity makes a man a stud, and a woman a slut.

    My, how things haven't changed...
     
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    Pride is personal thing.

    Plenty of female porn stars doing 100 man gang bangs that feel pride.
     
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    It not a matter of personal pride that is the significant intention of my post...it's the judgement of others to which I refer.
     
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    Then your failing to include peers into the affirmation what is regarded as positive or negative behavior.

    As it turns out most women don't like loose chicks, while a male's reaction to another male's sexual activity is a very complex thing. It could be ambivalence, disdain, admiration. One's own station among males has a big impact on this.
     
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    Just the use of the word "chicks" suggests a certain attitude toward women.

    And us men...we're just so complex and deep...

    Unlike those "chicks".
     
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    Except I'm not a "Man", i'm a "guy" or a "creep" because I don't have a six pack.
     
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    The word "guy" doesn't imply you are a young chicken so I'm not sure how that is comparable. "Creep" is probably worse, but are you actually called that?
     
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    On the college scene, if one talks to a girl and is out of shape, that person is a creep.

    Forget bossy, "Creep" is a destructive term.
     
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    Agreed. Creep is worse than bossy.
     
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    I agree with the idea behind this - to encourage young girls to be leaders - but banning bits the language seems like a bad way to go about it.
     

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