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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by rdowns, Nov 1, 2011.
No pre-marital sex?? That's an outrage!!
It's a private school, isn't it? If so, they can do what they want.
I realize it's a private school and they can pretty much do what they want. They do have to abide by discrimination laws which I bet this violates. In any case, the stupidity of all these pledges from the right side of the aisle are just so mindless and idiotic.
Damn right. What the hell did you go to college for?
Gay or straight, I'm not sure any male would want to be associated with "Shorter."
Unfortunately, even bigots have rights.
Key words that pretty much describe all of the Republicans presidential candidates. And as a private university, I don't think they have to abide by non-discrimination laws.
Just saw this. My reaction was just a jaw-dropping, "Wow......"
Unfortunately, from what I've seen lee is right. In a similar case from only a few years ago, the Boy Scouts' "right" to discriminate against gays (and atheists and agnostics) was upheld.
This is still totally insane, though.
Hatred and fear, that's all it is.
That's not true http://www.justia.com/employment/employment-discrimination/ but also recognize that federally, sexual orientation is not a protected class.
Sexual orientation is not an excluded class, either. If the Equal Protection Clause is to have any meaning, it should protect all citizens from being discriminated against for any reason without due process.
And, private university or no, since when does matters of contract law (i.e. this "pledge") supercede the Constitution?
Shorter University has just asked to be part of a SCOTUS case, but I think you're right about the court's decision because of BSoA v. Dale.
Ultimately, I think 'pledges' like this get in the way of education and creates a culture of suspicion without actually accomplishing anything: see DADT.
Exactly. I didn't get any in High School.
Hey, wait, I didn't go to college.
I want a recount!!!
Don't work for them, or send your kids to their school, unless you are similarly flawed.
From John 8
He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.
More Christians that don't know The Bible - what a complete shock....
I'm from Georgia, and most people here think this is great, unfortunately. If there's one place where acceptance will never happen, it's here.
There has to be some sort of discrimination law to prevent this.
The south will have to be forced, once again, to end discrimination with laws. The south will never lead the end of human rights violations.
Another school one should avoid. There are many other with far better prospects.
I think it would be a lost cause to do anything against it since it is a private school and they can run it the way they want, the important thing is to keep that kind of bigotry out of government or other public administrative departments.
Luckily, if the students aren't happy about it there seems to be hope for them still, the faculty however, is a lost cause. Just let them sit at home or at church hatin' them gays 'n other sinners. Life's too short to waste time and energy on that (or them).
They ask students to fill out the FAFSA, so presumably the school, although private, is receiving at least some federal money, although this probably does not prevent them from having a rule like this.
More broadly speaking, there are many colleges and universities that have rules like requiring faculty to be active members of a church denomination (I have a friend who is a professor at a school affiliated with the Christian Reformed Church), and so there is a lot more going on in the grey area than just this school's new pact.
Even more broadly speaking, who is hiring "Shorter University" graduates, anyways? It would be a sad day... who has ever even heard of this school?
Sometimes I find the Gay Pride events on campus to be annoying, but this certainly isn't an alternative.
Though, free "Gay Burgers" and rainbow shotput are always welcome.
If a student has a grudge, could they follow a teacher to a bar and get the teacher fired?
WTF!? How strict are these bloody US Universities of yours?
Here, Lecturers buy Students drinks, and in return we make them drink backdrafts.
This is a private religious university so it's a bit different. One of my professors had the last day of class at a pub.
I don't see how this would be legal if they are mandating employees not be gay or face being fired. If they had them sign the pledge it's one thing, firing someone is another.
Just may have missed that part.
I love those who claim to follow the bibles teachings when in reality they only follow those teachings in the bible that conform to their own set of beliefs. The bible is full of teachings and if you are going to follow them, then follow them all, you can't pick and choose and then claim to 'follow' the teachings of the bible or God. While the bible may be against homosexuality, it also advocates having slaves, and stoning people who break the law, are we to follow those teachings too? I think if we are going to follow the bible we have to bring it into the current context of today and in my opinion that means recognizing and accepting the world is made up of a variety of different people with their own beliefs and orientations. But I'm not going to wade into a religious battle, there will always be those who hate yet claim to be 'following' the bible, we won't change their minds anymore then they will change ours, but at least we can hope they'll see reason, some day.
Every religion picks the pieces from their doctrine that they want to follow. There is nothing special here.
I live in the US & the university I went to isn't nearly that strict, but sounds like this university might be.
As I've said in other threads, if Jesus was alive today, he'd be labeled un-American. He was a socialist, provided free healthcare, ridiculed the banking and loan industry, etc. These right-wing Republicans are so hypocritical. They say they want a Christian nation, but also want no entitlement/welfare systems, want tons of profit, and everything Jesus was against it seems like.