Should 9-11 families be allowed to sue Saudi Arabia?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Solomani, Sep 12, 2016.

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Should 9-11 families be allowed to sue Saudi Arabia?

Poll closed Sep 22, 2016.
  1. Yes, Saudi government was complicit in 9-11

    9 vote(s)
    39.1%
  2. No, a few crazies don't represent all Saudis

    12 vote(s)
    52.2%
  3. Why bother, Barrack Hussein will veto it anyways

    1 vote(s)
    4.3%
  4. What's Aleppo? And where is Saudi Arabia?

    1 vote(s)
    4.3%
  1. Solomani macrumors 68030

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    House Passes Bill Allowing 9/11 Lawsuits Against Saudi Arabia


    Personally, I think the families should be allowed to sue. The fact that the Saudi religious establishment is united with the Saudi government (it is a religious monarchy where the King listens to whatever their clerics say) means the government must take responsibility for its nutjob clerics espousing jihad and extremist garbage.

    My take: if there had been enough "separation of state and religion" in Saudi Arabia, then clearly their government could excuse themselves and say "Hey we take no responsibility for the extremist garbage that these clerics and muftis espouse". But that is simply not the case. Saudi Arabia has an official State Religion, and that State Religion is the fundamentalist bent known as Wahabbi (Sunni) Islam.
     
  2. twietee macrumors 603

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    Hmm, your poll is a bit lacking imo.

    For me it would be along the line "Yes, but a few crazies don't represent all Saudis"
    It has to be proven that the government was directly linked to that tragedy. Which was never really substantially established, no?
     
  3. thewap macrumors demi-god

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    All political theatre, this will never see the light of day.
     
  4. Plutonius macrumors 603

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    It's the US. Everyone can and does sue everyone else :).
     
  5. Solomani thread starter macrumors 68030

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    Not so fast.

    Hostile Gadaffi's Libya was pressured for nearly 15 years to "pay up" for its complicity in the bombing of PanAm over Lockerbie. People also said that Mad Dog Gadaffi's government would never pay compensation to those families, especially since Libya had been a hostile government to the West.

    Guess what? After years of diplomatic pressure and embargos, Gadaffi finally caved in. Fortunately for the families, Gadaffi agreed to pay compensation before he died (overthrown by rebels and killed by his own people). The families never get their loved ones back, but at least the complicit government was made to pay up.
     
  6. citizenzen, Sep 12, 2016
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    We already can sue.

    While the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act provides general protection to foreign governments, there are exceptions ...

    I hope the potential plaintiffs have some good evidence and reason to believe they could prove that in court.

    If they do ... then go for it.
     
  7. steve knight, Sep 12, 2016
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    how would these lawsuits even work and how would you fight people with so much money that can buy a army of lawyers?
     
  8. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Does the US really want to be sued for all the wrongdoing it has done?
     
  9. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    For spreading FREEDOM? The rest of the world should be paying us. :cool:
     
  10. Solomani thread starter macrumors 68030

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    So in other words, you believe that two wrongs make a right. Gotcha.

    Just because the USA isn't perfect (in foreign policy, nor in human rights record — black men get beat up daily by the police), so you're saying we give the Saudis a pass? Let's also give China a pass when they feel like jailing dozens of Tibetan or Uyghur dissidents on a whim, without due process or trial?

    Let's also give Putin and Assad a pass?
     
  11. DrewDaHilp1 macrumors 6502a

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    Saudi should be a burning pile of rubble.
     
  12. Solomani thread starter macrumors 68030

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    I never predicted above that they (the families) would win. Only that they be allowed to go through the lawsuit, give them a chance to prove their case.

    Obama is likely to veto and kill the proceedings before it even gets a chance. That's his early Christmas Ramadan present to the Royal House of Saud.
     
  13. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Well if you want to get sued for trillions go right ahead.
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    Yes, let's destroy the Muslim holy sites!
     
  14. Mousse macrumors 68000

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    They can sue. But unless the US is willing to enforce any verdict against the Saudi's it's pretty much a moot point. Do you think a Gub'ment that turns a blind eye to all the human rights violations by the Saudi's are gonna lift a finger to demand restitution from their ally?
     
  15. Bug-Creator macrumors 6502

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    They should be able to sue in a Saudi court, just like all the Vietnamese, Iraqis, Pakistanis..... who have suffered at american agression should sue in an US court.

    Everybody suing in their home countries would just make a mess with goverments unwilling/incapable of enforcing those ruling outside their juristiction.

    Even better create an independent international court dealing with such cases. Well I can just see that treaty flying through congress.
     
  16. Solomani thread starter macrumors 68030

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    Solution would be to elect an American government that doesn't turn a blind eye to the (numerous) human rights violations by the Saudis. And especially stop turning a blind eye when it comes to Saudi leaders fomenting religious extremism that could, that has already, and that will continue to kill American lives.

    We have to stop exempting Saudis (and Israel to a lesser extent) with the double standard. We chastise Iran and Syria and even Putin's Russia for human rights abuses and their other shenanigans, but then we have ZERO criticism when it comes to the Saudis. Such hypocrisy.
     
  17. DrewDaHilp1 macrumors 6502a

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    It's just not the US, it's the UN as well, how anyone thought that Saudi belonged on the Human Rights Council would be laughable if not so horrible.
     
  18. satcomer macrumors 603

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    I feel the Osama picked operatives from his native Saudi country so the West would help call for the end of current goverment setup, that threw him out if the country years before!

    So letting them sue a forum GOVERMENT plays right into his vision of what would go down!
     
  19. thermodynamic Suspended

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    Weren't Osama and his buddies exiles and certainly not doing Saudi Arabia's bidding?
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    Wouldn't it be nice if CEOs like Tim Cook lead by example, since he and lots of others all whine and bitch about how wrong government is about everything* all the time?

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/3/carly-fiorina-apples-tim-cook-hypocritical-outrage/

    Fiorina made very interesting and valid points.




    * except corporate welfare, tax cuts and breaks, and other forms of entitlement?
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    See above, Osama was an exile - in 1991 - for hijacking - yes. So that is established, substantially, yes. His hired hijackers may have been exiled as well, but would likely have become exiled by the SA government had they known prior to.
     
  20. A.Goldberg macrumors 68000

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    Sure, they can sue. I doubt they have a chance of even winning a penny in Saudi Arabia.
     

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