Should a store be able to deny certain service to a homosexual?

Should a store be able to deny service to a homosexual?

  • No

    Votes: 112 83.0%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 1 0.7%
  • Yes

    Votes: 22 16.3%

  • Total voters
    135

tshrimp

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Should a store be able to deny service to a homosexual, if they feel it goes against their moral beliefs?

Example: The wedding cake thing we all know about.

Edit: My apologizes. In my head I was thinking it was understood I was referring more to being able to refuse business to a group who requested something objectionable to them be placed on a cake, etc. and not just denying service all together. After some back and forth where I played some devils advocate I realized I should clarify. Maybe my change to the title will help to clarify.
 
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tshrimp

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Yes, that's the only institution that is free to exclude itself from being forced to perform services that are contrary to it's basic tenets.
I know what I am about to say is far reaching, but these do exist.

What about a coffee shop located in the church? I was invited to a graduation that took place in a huge church and they had businesses there. Coffee shop, bakery, and a place that served lunch. Not sure if these businesses were owned by the church.
 

steve knight

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Jan 28, 2009
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You realize that some of those are choices and some are not, right?

Do you think a place of business should refuse to do business with you if you're straight?
It is is far more basic then religion and unlike a religion not a choice.
 

tshrimp

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You realize that some of those are choices and some are not, right?

Do you think a place of business should refuse to do business with you if you're straight?
Are you assuming I am straight? But, yes, if there is a gay business that wants to only cater to a gay clientele..I am okay with that.

Edit: My response to the person, btw, was that he was not comparing apples to apples there was a comparison made that did not fit since being gay is not a race, a religion or an animal. Wasn't really much more to it. But, I answered your question non the less.
 
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samcraig

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Jun 22, 2009
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Are you assuming I am straight? But, yes, if there is a gay business that wants to only cater to a gay clientele..I am okay with that.
I made no assumptions. Merely responding to your question and comment.

Ok - what about race. Can a black-owned restaurant only serve black people? What about a restaurant owned by white people? How about more granular - can/should a lesbian bar refuse service to someone male? or vice-versa.

Perhaps it's enough social engineering to make someone uncomfortable spending money on these places without having to actually refuse service.

Now - if a gay or straight couple want a cake that is inappropriate (distasteful) then I think a business can refuse service based on the request. But I don't think it should be based on the requestee.
 

jkcerda

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I know what I am about to say is far reaching, but these do exist.

What about a coffee shop located in the church? I was invited to a graduation that took place in a huge church and they had businesses there. Coffee shop, bakery, and a place that served lunch. Not sure if these businesses were owned by the church.
business, no matter who owns them have to abide by the rules.........that means no discrimination.
 

BoxerGT2.5

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You realize being gay is not a religion, a race, or an animal...right?
You really want the gay barista at Starbucks to look at you and your girlfriend waiting in line to order a cup of coffee and tell you he can't serve you because he doesn't agree with your lifestyle. Why don't we just go back to the days of hanging signs up in storefronts about who's not allowed in.
 

tshrimp

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My apologies for messing up the poll. I entered "Yes" option where the question was to go. I couldn't find a way to change that so just added the option to be able to select yes if needed.
 

jkcerda

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My apologies for messing up the poll. I entered "Yes" option where the question was to go. I couldn't find a way to change that so just added the option to be able to select yes if needed.
there is a little gear at the top right, you should be able to edit it from there.
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Better question:

Should people who think that putting 2 groom-figurines on a cake they sell has something to do with THEIR religion be shot in the head for the benefit of the whole human race ?
two wrongs making a right????? :rolleyes:
 

tshrimp

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You really want the gay barista at Starbucks to look at you and your girlfriend waiting in line to order a cup of coffee and tell you he can't serve you because he doesn't agree with your lifestyle. Why don't we just go back to the days of hanging signs up in storefronts about who's not allowed in.
Not sure where you got that out of me correcting someone who compared this to a religion, a dog, etc. Unless being gay is a religion or a dog. If it is then it was a great comparison. I just didn't feel like it was.
 

BoxerGT2.5

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I know what I am about to say is far reaching, but these do exist.

What about a coffee shop located in the church? I was invited to a graduation that took place in a huge church and they had businesses there. Coffee shop, bakery, and a place that served lunch. Not sure if these businesses were owned by the church.
Does the person have gay written across his forehead? If not and he/she are behaving in a manner that is appropriate, give them a cup of coffee and a long john (no pun intended). Can you spot a gay person just by looking at them? It's not as if gay people aren't allowed in churches. There are plenty of catholic churches that have opened their doors to gay people. Hell even the pope called upon more to open it's doors to allow them to worship with everyone.
 

tshrimp

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there is a little gear at the top right, you should be able to edit it from there.
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two wrongs making a right????? :rolleyes:
Thanks. But that looks like it only lets me change the forum title and not the poll question. Unless I am missing it.
 

BoxerGT2.5

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Not sure where you got that out of me correcting someone who compared this to a religion, a dog, etc. Unless being gay is a religion or a dog. If it is then it was a great comparison. I just didn't feel like it was.
Race, religion, sexual orientation, whatever characteristic someone wants to grasp onto as a reason to discriminate against someone else. No, it's never OK.
 

tgara

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Jul 17, 2012
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Declining to provide service to a person or a couple just because they are gay is stupid and wrong.

However, there is a distinction between the person and the event or act the person is engaged in. If a baker was asked by a homosexual person to bake cookies for a birthday party, the cake baker that has deeply held religious beliefs against gay marriage should not have a problem with this since baking cookies for a birthday party has nothing to do with that. However, if he is asked to make a wedding cake for a gay wedding, a union which he is opposed based on deeply held religious beliefs, he should be allowed to decline servicing that event. Not because the people are gay, but that the event is an anathema to his view of marriage.
 
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obeygiant

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Some of this stuff is going to work out for itself. I'm sure a gay couple would not want to get married in a place where they are not wanted. I've photographed a few SS weddings, it's not a big deal, people just go where the love is.

I don't think there should really be laws in place either way. If you're a small business and you hate gay people - fine! Don't serve them, just delight in your idiocy.

Meanwhile I'll be over here collecting money thats just as green as anybody elses.

It's becoming more and more clear as I get older that Bill and Ted's motto rings true.

Be excellent to each other and party on, dudes!
 

0007776

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In general no, but in your specific example of asking someone to help out in a wedding they have a moral issue with then yes it should be ok. Same thing if an atheist baker doesn't want to be involved with a Christian wedding they shouldn't have to bake the cake for a wedding at a church if it goes against their beliefs.
 
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