Should Exodus Intl be removed from the App Store?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Sydde, Mar 19, 2011.

  1. Sydde macrumors 68020

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    In an environment of Fart apps and birds exploding in clouds of feathers, enter an app called "Exodus International". Obviously, it is Christian in nature (well, Exodus was in the Torah, so I suppose it could in theory be Jewish), its main focus being as a tool to help homosexuals recover from the f'upedness with the healing hand of jesus (lord, save us from your followers). So, yeah, whilst the concept is lame or offensive, there is a fair abundance of that on the app store already.

    So, now some are calling for its removal. Is that the right thing to do? I mean, clearly a person whose sexual orientation is corrected by the church inevitably becomes just miserable and insufferable, the hallmarks of someone trying to be something they are not. A small minority are advocating a view that has soundly been debunked because the idea that a few of the wrong kind of people might exist and offend their sensibilities (quid pro quo).

    Does this app represent nothing more than plain foolishness, some misguided folks expressing their opinion and showing that they care for others? Or is it an attempt to perpetuate a vile and dangerous mth that has cause inestimable pain and misery for as long as recorded history? And can I use it to... Oh, wait... :eek:
     
  2. Huntn macrumors G5

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    I see no problem with this app. It is up to individuals to decide if and when they need help. (Not implying gays need help.) I wish Apple would ease up on it's morality standards. Just establish an adult-religious-political, poor taste section in the app store.

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    as someone who does not own a single app, it's just an impression I have that Apple is over-controlling. However I do like that they screen new apps for some kind of standard. When I get an iPhone or iPad, I'm sure I'll dive into the app scene.
     
  3. iJohnHenry macrumors P6

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    It's totally 'legal', so if you don't like it, don't buy it, but don't stop others from doing so.
     
  4. appleguy123 macrumors 603

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    They could at least make the app more interesting.
    How about a social feature that allows you to see other 'ex-homosexuals' in your area? :D
     
  5. iJohnHenry macrumors P6

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    Have you not been informed of DisgraceBook??
     
  6. appleguy123 macrumors 603

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    No, and I just googled it and it appears to be just a product review site?
    To what are you referring?
     
  7. iJohnHenry macrumors P6

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    Sorry, failed to include a :rolleyes: , and just happened to hit on something that actually exists.

    I could have easily used LoseFaceBook, but I thought the other rolled off the tongue better. :eek:
     
  8. Sydde thread starter macrumors 68020

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    Actually, the second hit on Disgracebook is a blog where the author is talking about a bulletin board for gossip, insults and bathroom-stall cellphone pictures.
     
  9. Naimfan macrumors 68040

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    Should it be removed? As strongly as I am against discrimination based on orientation, no, it should not.

    I believe we should provide every opportunity to people to show how foolish and narrow-minded they are, and that app certainly seems to give people that opportunity.
     
  10. 184550 Guest

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    I don't see a problem with its inclusion on the App Store.

    As has been pointed out, its up to the user to decide if he or she wants to download an app.

    IMO, the Fart and Porn/ Pin Up apps are more distasteful and offensive than the App you've mentioned.
     
  11. Sydde thread starter macrumors 68020

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    More? No. This app says that homosexuals need help, a bit like alcoholics. That is far more offensive than farts or t&m.
     
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    Hence I said 'IMO', as I was certain that some, if not most, users, such as yourself, would disagree.
     
  13. leekohler macrumors G5

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    It's disgusting and Exodus International has done a lot of harm to people. I'm on the fence on this. I think it's absolutely like offering illegal drugs online, and I can't believe that group is even allowed to do what they do, but hey- if people want to screw themselves up, I guess that their business.
     
  14. lPHONE macrumors 6502a

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    Apple comes under fire because App Store is highly regulated and censored. This is the backlash and there's more to come. "If you reject this app, why didn't you reject this app?"- and this is nothing new to us...

    But TWO is just using Apple as a pawn to mask the real issue here which is offensive content vs free speech. I have nothing against gays, but I will always side with free speech no matter how retarded or offensive it is.

    It's one thing to give minorities rights and another to give them the key to the city. That's why you should sign this petition instead of the one to ban apps. We have enough fascism and censorship in this country. It takes a really strong mentality to step away from your personal beliefs for the greater good of our country and uphold the constitution.
     
  15. yg17 macrumors G5

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    For the sake of consistency with the App Store and its censorship policies, it should be removed for containing offensive, disgusting content.

    I don't think it should be removed, and I don't think many other apps that have been removed should be removed. I just think Apple should censor consistently or not censor at all.
     
  16. Rt&Dzine macrumors 6502a

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    What does this have to do with the constitution? Apple is a business. You have the freedom to boycott them if you don't like their choices.
     
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    You need to pray harder, and hate yourself more.
     
  19. Daveoc64 macrumors 601

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    Step back and think for a minute.

    This App is called:

    "Exodus Intl"

    It's also available in many different countries.

    Your constitution is worth no more than this forum post here.

    Nor is the US constitution worth anything on the App Store.

    Attitudes to both religion and homosexuality are very different here in the UK, just as they are in many other countries.

    Several court rulings have placed the rights of Gay people above the rights of people holding religious beliefs.

    Apple should consider that when approving apps.
     
  20. neko girl macrumors 6502a

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    I'm all for the distribution of the app on grounds of free speech (which may or may not apply to a curated app store like Apple's). However, I do like the ignorant statement you just made here, that I've quoted.

    Can you give me an example where the basic RIGHTS of a religious person was violated by upholding gay rights?
     
  21. Rt&Dzine macrumors 6502a

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    Is Apple required to offer this app? If the app gets removed from Apple, the developers can adapt it and try a different application store. I don't see how this is censorship.
     
  22. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Or an example of ANY right given to gay people that aren't likewise extended to every other citizen?

    Just one.

    Give me just one.

    I dare you.
     
  23. firestarter macrumors 603

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    I suspect Daveoc64 is referring to this case - concerning a gay couple from his home town.

    Equivalent rights were not set against each other - the hoteliers believed they had a right to restrict their trading based on religious beliefs, the gay couple contested that and won. So it's incorrect to say that gay rights were held in a higher regard than religious - since the rights were awarded according to the situation.

    The case is interesting nonetheless. It would be interesting to see what the result would be if the same case were to be contested in the US.
     
  24. CalBoy macrumors 604

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    I agree.

    I think that if the App Store wasn't regulated, this app would clearly have standing to be in there, as would an app that was misogynistic, anti-semitic, or pro-flatulence.

    However, Apple (and Steve Jobs in particular) has said that the App Store is meant to "protect" people from certain things (namely porn). Since Apple has the right to determine what goes into its store, I think it's fair to ask that an app that is more offensive than porn (most people disagree with this type of "therapy" and approve of homosexuality compared to the level of disagreement there is with porn) should be similarly removed from the App Store.

    I think there's also a Pandora's Box in that if this App delves into trying to "cure" people of some non-existent psychosis, could Apple be guilty of aiding and abetting the practice of medicine/psychology without a license? I'm not saying there's an answer to this, but it certainly does leave the door open to more problems.
     
  25. appleguy123 macrumors 603

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    There are homeopathic apps in the AppStore. Those won't work any better than this 'pray the gay away' app, but they still are allowed in the store.
     

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