Shouldn't Obama's focus be on infrastructure instead of healthcare right now?

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  1. quagmire macrumors 603

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    I agree healthcare needs to be reformed, but watching The History Channels, " Crumbling of America", shouldn't it be obvious that our infrastructure is more important then healthcare now? Roads falling apart, the water system that gives NYC water is leaking 36( or 360?) million gallons a day, etc. That is where our money should be going right now. Not Iraq, not healthcare, but our infrastructure.

    IMHO.

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  2. SilentPanda Moderator emeritus

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    Is no money at all going towards infrastructure? I would hope the nation could multi-task.
     
  3. quagmire thread starter macrumors 603

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    I am not hearing anything about it being done. I do recall the stimulus package was supposed to help, but A) not enough money was allocated just for our infrastructure B) Being distributed very slowly.
     
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    I would have thought healthcare was an important if not the most important part of infrastructure.
     
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    Well, putting money towards infrastructure doesn't seem to make much sense if A) we don't have healthy workers and B) if workers get injured or sick they can't take care of themselves.

    Healthcare is so important because without a healthy citizenship nothing the government does matters.
     
  6. Queso macrumors G4

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    Socialist!!!! :eek:

    Remember this is America being discussed. The normal rules of what we deem civilised society don't apply.
     
  7. freeny macrumors 68020

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    Agreed. If you have to start somewhere then why not the one thing bleeding people into poverty?
     
  8. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    While we do have a substantial amount of money going to infrastructure right now, I was pissed that the stimulus got completely watered down in that regard. Its scary to think about how our way of life relies on such outdated and crumbling systems. Also, I'd like to see the communications part of infrastructure get a crap-load of money invested into it.

    I do think Healthcare is more important right now because it continues to be the biggest set back to our country financially in its current state.
     
  9. zap2 macrumors 604

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    It should be focused a bit more...I remember during all the Stimulus talk it was talked about a good deal, but once we got a firm breakdown of where the dollars would go, the infrastructure part was small for my taste.

    That said, I do think healthcare is more important. Of course we can tackle both at once, but I agree the focus is where it should be. Also I have a bit more faith in the state to help out on Infrastructure then healthcare.(Not saying they are the solution, but I think they can help handle the issue)
     
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    how so?
     
  12. quagmire thread starter macrumors 603

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    It's Iraq and the defense budget that is the biggest set back to our country right now financially. I am sure if we continue to ignore the problems with our roads, grid, water supply, sewage, levies, bridges, etc the cost to fix/replace the cost to do it will continue to rise and become more expensive to do it.
     
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    There are infrastructure plans taking place as a result of the stimulus. Not enough by any means.

    Maybe after healthcare we can have our "By the end of the next decade I want high speed rail connecting every state in this country (minus hawaii and alaska)" speech.

    I think the most a president and congress can get done at a time is 1 big issue. That's at the most!
     
  14. abijnk macrumors 68040

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    Well, for starters, its ~15% of our GDP.

    That's just government spending, not that country as a whole.
     
  15. chris200x9 macrumors 6502a

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    cut medicare/medicaid? Have no government healthcare...

    ...I just fail to see how covering MORE people for MORE things is going to end up in LESS spending...
     
  16. yg17 macrumors G5

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    Because right now, if someone goes to the ER and has no insurance, taxpayers pay for it, and the ER is expensive. If they could afford regular checkups, which are a lot cheaper than ER visits, they may never need that ER visit if they have a doctor to keep conditions such as high blood pressure and diabetes in check before they turn into a heart attack or diabetic coma. That's just one example.
     
  17. zap2 macrumors 604

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    Yea, yg17 covered it quite well.

    The key thing being, we ARE already covering these people...just in the most expensive, least helpful way. Healthcare reform's goal now is to make healthcare more effective.(ie save us money and lives)
     
  18. chris200x9 macrumors 6502a

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    common misconception prevention costs MORE (what about the millions who go for check ups where nothing is found, basically it's like let's spend to check out millions of people so something *might* not happen to about 10-20%), not trying to be a pr*ck but I mean yes everyone should be healthy but no the government should not increase it's deficit by a huge amount.
     
  19. quagmire thread starter macrumors 603

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    Source?

    This is probably not a good analogy, but having a checkup on your body is like tune ups and oil changes with your car. What will be cheaper and easier to pay for? The occasional oil change or your engine blowing up because you neglected changing the oil? I repeat, probably not a good analogy. :eek:

    I hijacked my own thread. Whoops...... :eek:
     
  20. Peterkro macrumors 68020

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    Preventative medicine in some cases may not be economic in others it may well be, part of a efficient health care system is to find answers and apply them.
     
  21. zap2 macrumors 604

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    Thats a BIG claim without a (non-biased) source champ!

    Also the government isn't increasing its deficit...did you listen to Obama's plan(laid out in his speech this past Wednesday)? The plan involves a public option, but thats only one small part. Another key part was no increasing of the deficit.

    (As far as you being a "pr*ck for not supporting healthcare reform, I'm certainly not calling you that, but who those who die and those who have money wasted(IE every American) might feel differently)
     
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    Funny thing is if there were a Republican in office right now, aside from the war these items wouldnt even be a blip on their radar.
     
  23. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    Whoops, sorry I meant the biggest drawback that we can actually do something about right now. We can't just pull out Iraq all at once (as much as I wish we could) but we CAN change healthcare now.
     
  24. djjclark macrumors regular

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    http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentary/53178952.html?page=1&c=y
     

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