Shrek 2 and the Traditional Values Coalition

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by numediaman, Jun 3, 2004.

  1. numediaman macrumors 6502a

    Jan 5, 2004
    Chicago (by way of SF)
    In the interest of fairness, I thought I would start a thread about an important issue to those on the right: stamping out she-males in the movies.

    Parents Beware: 'Shrek 2' Features Transgenderism And Crossdressing Themes

    Summary: The DreamWorks' animated film, "Shrek 2," is billed as harmless entertainment but contains subtle sexual messages.

    Parents who are thinking about taking their children to see "Shrek 2," may wish to consider the following: The movie features a male-to-female transgender (in transition) as an evil bartender. The character has five o'clock shadow, wears a dress and has female breasts. It is clear that he is a she-male. His voice is that of talk show host Larry King.

    During a dance scene at the end of the movie, this transgendered man expresses sexual desire for Prince Charming, jumps on him, and both tumble to the floor.

    In another scene in the movie, Shrek and Donkey need to be rescued from a dungeon where they are chained against the wall. The rescue is conducted by Pinocchio who is asked to lie so his nose will grow long enough for one of the smaller cartoon characters to use it as a bridge to reach Shrek and Donkey. Donkey encourages him to lie about something and suggests he lie about wearing women's underwear. When he denies wearing women's underwear, his nose begins to grow.

    An earlier scene in the movie features a wolf dressed in grandma's clothing and reading a book when Prince Charming encounters him. Later, one of the characters refers to the wolf's gender confusion.

    TVC's report, "A Gender Identity Disorder Goes Mainstream," explains the transgender agenda and the effort to deconstruct the biological reality of male and female. DreamWorks is helping in this effort by promoting cross dressing and transgenderism in this animated film.

    I wonder where Steve Jobs and Pixar stand on the issue of transgenders in the cinema? I never saw Finding Nemo, were there any transgender fish in the film?
  2. skunk macrumors G4


    Jun 29, 2002
    Republic of Ukistan
    Probably quite close to each other. :rolleyes:
  3. blackfox macrumors 65816


    Feb 18, 2003
    Give me a break already...sheesh...I suppose talking donkeys and the multi-ethnicity of any ogre-humans should be called into question too...we wouldn't want to confuse the kiddies, now would we?
  4. zimv20 macrumors 601


    Jul 18, 2002
    hey, how about a spoiler warning next time?!?!

  5. Lyle macrumors 68000


    Jun 11, 2003
    Madison, Alabama
    Oh my. That is a creative interpretation of it. If you haven't seen the movie, the "transgendered" bartender was supposed to be one of the ugly stepsisters (i.e. from "Cinderella"). As in the first movie, "Shrek 2" includes a lot of gags that poke fun at traditional fairytales, classic Disney movies, etc.

    Well, Ellen DeGeneres provided the voice for one of the characters, so it could be argued that we saw our first lesbian fish on film. Not a real lesbian fish, of course, but an animated lesbian fish. ;)
  6. Sayhey macrumors 68000


    May 22, 2003
    San Francisco
    Now, don't forget the original sinners, Bert and Ernie! Puppet love that dares not speak its name! :eek:

    We have got to get the Rev. Jerry Falwell on this immediately! I think those Hollywood types are trying to recruit our children into the homosexual lifestyle. :( (had to use that smilie because it reminds me of Tinkie Winkie.) Ooooh the shame of it all!
  7. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

    IJ Reilly

    Jul 16, 2002
    Larry King is a shemale? Who would have guessed? I thought he was just a jerk.
  8. patrick0brien macrumors 68040


    Oct 24, 2002
    The West Loop

    Hmm, losing respect for Shrek for its unsophisticated low-hanging-fruit pop-culture references is one thing, but going after it for cross-dressing?!?!

    Methinks some people are too fired up for their own good.
  9. sambo. macrumors regular


    Jun 2, 2004
    outback, far from the surf

    who cares?
    this is America we are talking about.....
    Land of the nudie bar
    LA - Porn capital of the World
    The Miss Universe Pageant
    Hugh Hefner and Larry Flint et al.......

    not to mention unmitigated wowserism in the form of the brouhaha over Janet Jacksons nipple and millions of your tax $$$ going to Abstinence programs.

    USA - a land of contradictions.......

    why get all hot and bothered about a green, animated, ficticious, animated, imaginary, animated ogre and sidekicks.

    actually, i rekon the original Shrek is the greatest american contribution to world culture, ever.

    sheesh. :D :cool: :) :confused: :eek:
  10. wwworry macrumors regular

    Mar 23, 2002
    most of those cartoon characters are not wearing any pants either!

    God Hates Shrimp
  11. Desertrat macrumors newbie

    Jul 4, 2003
    Terlingua, Texas
    Whether book or movie, I've never understood the penchant of some of the hard-core fundamentalist crowd to jump to confusions. They can find "messages" that totally escape me, even when I re-read or "re-see" in an effort to discover them.

    Sure, there are some movies which the little folks can't handle, emotionally; probably some whose "message" truly isn't suitable. However, the hard-core crowd has a poor batting average in their predictions, IMO.

    Sometimes the producers mess up. My mother told me that she and many others were startled by how many of us wee tots began crying in fear at some of the scenes in "Fantasia". Adults and teenies were thoroughly entertained throughout the movie...

    Damfino. Guess I'll just keep on bein' somewhere near bein' a right-wing Hippie. "...ain't tryin' to change nobody, just tryin' real hard to adjust."--Bellamy Brothers.

    :), 'Rat

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