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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by crazycat, Jun 15, 2007.
What do you think of the movie/documentary?
I think it's not playing anywhere near me, and I'd rather like to see it.
I "obtained it" and watched it this evening.
I thought it was awesome and very informing. I haven't had to experience the system as I'm still insured under my parents, but this film has really opened my eyes up to the system. I always knew the system was corrupt but not as bad as the film showed.
i think Michael Moore has done a heroic effort to open up the eyes of Americans and the insurance companies.
I believe this film will be very influential to the American healthcare system.
I want to see it. Although it is biased, I still think it will be pretty interesting. I really don't like Michael Moore. Never saw Fahrenheit 911, but like Bowling for Columbine.
I used to be a fan of his, but I can't stand his current style. It's an editorial BTW, not documentary. Still want to see the movie though. I've been screwed over even when insured as well. We keep saying we have some of the best heathcare in the world, but what's the point if no one can afford it. Again, even with insurance.
Fun fact, a large percentage of people declaring bankruptcy do so because of health care costs.
It's a reasonably good movie and I'm not without criticisms. However it's very good as a introduction to the scam that is US healthcare.I enjoyed it in spite of Moore's slightly grating manner.
watched it last night.
Downright ***** frightening. I would live in absolute fear of getting really sick in the U.S.
I don't want to add any spoilers, so Ill refrain.
I couldn't imagine anyone disagreeing with points raised in the film..
You would have to be a sicko
I know it leaked online, but it doesn't come out in theatres until the 29th I think. I plan on seeing it then.
What's funny is that we have terrible healthcare and we're paying an incredible amount for it. A study came out recently that compared the healthcare systems of England, Germany, and I think it was Australia. We are paying more than them for our healthcare, but we're getting worse treatment.
I saw him on Oprah, and he brought up some interesting points, like how our fire and police services are non-profit, and how it makes absolutely no sense to have our healthcare any different.
Health for the rich doesn't work. It's time our country got out of the dark ages and moved into modern times with the rest of the world. It sickens me sometimes when I realize how far behind our country is.
With good reason. We're fortunate enough to have good health insurance, but once you factor in copays, we still can't afford getting sick. My sister was in the hospital a week and after insurance paid their part, there was still several grand that my parents had to pay out of pocket, which for your average middle class family, is tough.
I just got done watching Sicko, and never realized how bad we have it. Our system is just terrible.
I've always felt that the co-pay amount is what the total cost of services should have been in the first place.
Don't get me started on what it costs to put a child through a good university education, when most countries provide that education at little or no cost
to any student demonstrating a sincere desire to learn.
The Universities have become for profit corporations too and it's shameful.
Just look at how many promos your child gets in their junior and senior year.
WE THE PEOPLE are being hosed!
If by biased you mean it takes real world stories and talks about it them allowing you to come to your own conclusion, then yes it is biased. The crazy thing is he doesn't talk about the uninsured-well two people at the beginning totaling 5 minutes-he talks about the insured.
I'm not a big Micheal More fan. Barely made it through Fahrenheit 9/11, but I've got to say this was an incredible documentary. And as others have pointed out--absolutely freaking scary because its the truth. Also, I can totally vouch for all the socialized here in Spain. It beats the US system hands down (CEOs making billions of dollars off of sick people..that's just demoralizing.)
PS--I will see it in the theatres and buy the DVD. It's worth it.
Well, he takes only the bad real world stories from the US and only the good real world stories from UK/France/Canada/Cuba. That's pretty biased in my eyes.
He does have a point, though. I wouldn't trade the Finnish public health care for the American privatized one for any price.
But at least someone's doing it. Better than hearing a load of neo-con propaganda even if he is a bit annoying.
I think we'd all love to have the Finnish healthcare system!
Good point. If dems get elected in to office, the US will probably usher in some form of universal single pay system... anything but the canadian system tho....
There aren't too many "good" real world stories about the healthcare system here. You always end up paying tons of cash- even with insurance. It's pretty damn ridiculous.
Care to explain?
Not in the near future, but eventually I'm sure we will have it. The near term is going to be fraught with a myriad of schemes to provide government subsidized private insurance for those who don't have it. So we'll have the inefficiency of the government run program funneling money into private corporations whose goal is to not pay for your healthcare in order to increase profits.
I give it 20+ rough years before we have a single payer system, and another 10+ years after that before the kinks are all ironed out.
anyway, I haven't seen it, but want to/ Does he at all address that drug makers only make treatments by-and-large and seldom cures?
I'm curious about that as well. I've got a some friends that work in various parts of the healthcare field and I've heard some interesting stuff. Most of it boils down to that the only real chance you have of getting affordable healthcare in the US is if the company you work for offers a a good, affordable group plan. I've also heard about how pharmacies will keep the price of generic drugs artificially high so that when name-brands go generic the pharmacy will still get the same dollar amount over cost no matter which version you buy. So, basically, they are pocketing, not passing along, the reduced costs of generic drugs.
Honestly, I'm waiting for some fat-ass politician to claim that if the rich get the best medical care, it'll trickle down to everyone else.
I'm moving to France.
They do your freaking laundry for cryin out loud!
He mentions how drug companies offer cash to everyone in politics...how in GB any prescription you get filled only costs 6.65 british pounds...how an inhaler in the US costs $120 and in Cuba it costs 5 cents. So basically yes he says we're getting hosed in the US by the drug companies.
I haven't seen it but I'd like to comment on the healthcare in the US versus (in this case) the UK.
I'm an american and I now live in England. I've gotten the experience of both sides of healthcare. You think healthcare is expensive in the US and still not that great, well that's true in some cases BUT it's not a whole lot better here either. The NHS (which everyone in the UK [legally] is entitled to) is appallingly bad. It's better than nothing but only just.
Example: I had excruciating pain in my abdomen, I went to the ER and waited hours. I was lucky it was only a few hours. They checked a few stupid things and in the end refused to do anything for me and sent me home. They told me I would have to wait months for a simple ultrasound and even longer to see a specialist. Unacceptable. My GP ordered a scan which we decided to get at a private hospital and pay out-of-pocket for. (£160) She ordered the wrong scan. Money well spent.
It was then that we decided not to rely on the NHS anymore. We now have private health insurance and it is remarkably better. I had surgery the weekend before last to sort out this problem and dealt with none of the BS I would have with the NHS. I would be waiting until next year if I had stayed NHS.
My experience in this regard is not unique.
As you can guess, we pay for this private insurance. So the costs are still quite high here to get decent medical coverage. You are paying for the substandard NHS plus the cost of private insurance. The total is far more than you'd pay for an average policy in the US.... hell, just the cost you pay through taxes/deductions for the NHS is more than most policies in the US. Still, being uninsured in the US is common and very frightening but there is no perfect system.
Well, at least you didn't die in the ER because no one would even bother looking at you. It's not about finding a perfect system as you say, it's about getting rid of one that does nothing at all, and replacing it with one that could at least look at someone in the ER. Also, your around $300 dollar scan PROBABLY would have cost over 3 grand at least in the states. It's nice you have that option because of the general low cost of health care (yeah I know you pay hell of a lot of taxes), but could you have dropped 1500 GB pounds to have the same scan?
Side note: TV shows have really messed up the perception of what an ER is. They always show those who are going to die, and yes they get instant medical care. They never show the lines of those with the broken arms, the down to the bone cuts, the excruciating stomach pain etc. If you're not dying, expect to wait at any ER for a few hours, no matter what insurance you have -- unless your the president of course.
Not true at all. Ultrasounds are not that pricey, it would run about the same cost in the US, maybe slightly more. (about $400)