Sin Bins, CCTV's in public housing

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  1. SilentPanda Moderator emeritus

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    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/115736/Sin-bins-for-worst-families

    That seems extreme to me. I'm guessing the families have some privacy (bathrooms at least!) but wow. I suppose if you have to live there then you have to... but just... wow.
     
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    That is insane. Not sure which is worse, the fact they are being monitored or that they need to be monitored. :eek:
     
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    Don´t know what else to say other than that´s really effed up.

    Seems that 440 Million Pounds could pay for a lot of before/after-school programs that could have just as large an effect on the education.
     
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    I misread it as 40mil, but 400 mil?!?!?!

    Heck they could probably feed them at school and check their attendance record there. :eek:
     
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    Do the cameras double as television screens one can never turn off?
     
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    The UK government seems to have totally lost the plot :eek: - that is if the Daily Express isn't just getting it totally wrong.
     
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    I'm not sure if this is true or not but it's only the comics,the Telegraph,some tech sites and rags from around the world that are running the story.I'd like to see some more details before I'd make any comment.
     
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    How is a camera in their house going to ensure that the kids go to school? Why not just check their attendance every day?
     
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    What a waste of money that could be better spent else where.
     
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    There is a fantastic synergistic business opportunity here. Have Channel 4 fund the whole thing in exchange for broadcast rights and the program will make money.
     
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    That's if its actually true though...

    The Daily Express isn't a good source.
     
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    Yeah I dunno. It's all UK so I'm not sure what sources are "good".
     
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    Anything with Daily in the name isn't 100% reliable ;)
     
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    Basically, the Economist is excellent, the Guardian and the Independent are good, the BBC is less good, the telegraph and times are both OK (but often get stuff wrong), anything else is pretty bad - though the Express is probably the worst of the lot.
     
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    I should have noted that any newspaper that calls itself the Worlds Greatest Newspaper, probably isn't.. :)
     
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    Are you suggesting that perhaps the Fantastic Four was not the World's Greatest Comics Magazine?
     
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    You see, I really do not have a problem with this. I do understand the lack of privacy or these families, but you have to remember, THE GOVT IS PAYING FOR THEIR LIVING ACCOMODATIONS. It's only going in PUBLIC HOUSING. These are the people who have proven they cannot hold down or even obtain a job, these are the 16 year old mothers. I figure, if you're living on the gov't dime, they have a right to monitor you. Don't like it? Get a job and live in private accomodation, you won't have a problem then. I bet if they said they were putting up cameras to stop concil flat defacement, nobody would care.
     
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    People become 16 year old mothers in the UK generally because they don't have the opportunities that richer people have.
     
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    Guess that rules out the Chicago Tribune. :)
     
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    Privacy? We don't need to stinkin' privacy!


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    I'm calling BS on this one. The NHS gives out free condoms and birth control. It is a common known fact that girl will get pregnant around 16 as they are getting out of school with minimum qualifications, have the baby and go to the council saying, "I'm a single mother, I have no job and my mum kicked me out. Please give me a free flat and a few hundred pounds a month because I was too stupid to use a condom". I grew up comfortably(dad brought home a nice 6 figures), and had the same number of chances to be a baby daddy as these girls do, but when I did have intercourse I took proper precaution and used a condom..
     
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    Therein lies the problem. As long as the state continues to subsidize irresponsible behavior, said behavior will continue. But wait, it's "for the children", so it's OK. I mean come on, you don't hate children...or do you?
     
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    If this is true, it's horrible. But I've been unable to find any other sources, except for some blogs that cite this newspaper.
     
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    There is no mention of this in government documents or any reported speech by Ed Balls. It would also be against myriad laws not least the European Convention on Human Rights. The reporter,Alison Little,who wrote this drivel is a idiot. So I feel safe in saying it's complete bollocks. Family Intervention Projects may indeed have some privacy issues but 24hr CCTV is not one of them.
     

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