Since we all rely on each other in one form or another, who would you rely on more?

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Since we all rely on each other in one form or another, who would you rely on more?

  1. Government

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  2. Bernie (Madoff) or other such baleful entities from the private sector

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  1. thermodynamic Suspended

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    We are fortunate to be a government that is by, of, and for the people.

    If you dislike either answer, don't respond to either option but answer this mundane essay question instead: What system would you put into place, how would you set it up and start it, would there be a reset button involved so 100% of the population starts over... how would you do things?
     
  2. cfedu macrumors 65816

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    Relying on anyone is the problem, you can only rely on yourself (as an adult). Until a certain age it would be acceptable to rely on your parents, but their help will only go so far for most people.
     
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    LizKat macrumors 68040

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    Yeah man, the last time I singlehandedly built a paved road to the grocery store and realized no one had invented refrigeration and all the mlk was spoiled, it was a serious bummer.

    It would have to be earlier in the night for me to take a shot at the essay question here instead of voting in the poll... maybe mañana... :)
     
  4. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Pretending that we don't rely on others is the great conceit of our modern society. That said, it's incumbent on all of us to contribute to our collective effort. Even though it's just a fantasy, we still need to act as if we were sustaining our own existence.
     
  5. cfedu macrumors 65816

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    I think that is a different question, society or government rely on the people through taxes and in return you receive services. People do not rely on the government but are rather entitled to a certain services. What the tax rate is and what are the entitlements are can be debated, but that does not change the fact that society relies on me.

    I live in Canada which is much more socialist than the USA, and when I was growing up my friends house burned down. The government is just not going to say I feel bad and we will rebuild your house paid by the tax payers. In this case the home owner has to rely on themselves and make sure they have house insurance. As it turned out this was not the case and they lost everything.

    Personal responsibility goes a long way, once you realize that you will not have to rely on anyone.
     
  6. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    I rely solely on myself, and my massive stash of illegally obtained surface to air missiles I've got stacked up in my back yard.

    Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get the launcher, so all I can do right now is walk around and scream at people while I shake them over my head.
     
  7. subsonix macrumors 68040

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    Yes, but there is a fire brigade and laws that the insurance company operate under. These laws are upheld and enforced by the state and hence some form of government is needed. I dont see how personal responsibility factors in here, you do rely on others in either case.
     
  8. shinji macrumors 65816

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    For healthcare, I'd rather rely on a single payer government-run system.

    But for a tangible product like a smartphone or a car? Much rather have private corporations competing with each other and innovating.
     
  9. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 603

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    Aren't both gov and private run by the same people(figuratively)?

    THIS IS A TRICK QUESTION!!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
     
  10. vrDrew macrumors 65816

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    Fortunately, this is one of those purely hypothetical questions.

    I guess I would say I "rely" more on Government, for a couple of reasons. The first of which is that when it comes to Business, my position with virtually 100% of them is no more than "customer", and frequently not even that. Whereas with Government I am, theoretically at least, a part Owner. The second is that Government, again theoretically, has as its motivation the greater good of the people (ie. its owners) rather than pure profit maximization.
     
  11. lostngone macrumors demi-god

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    Did you ever belong to the YCLUSA or maybe attend a young pioneers camp growing up?
     
  12. Zenithal macrumors 68040

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    Between you lot and the government? I'd rather take cyanide.
     
  13. cfedu macrumors 65816

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    As I said in my previous statement you pay for the state to uphold those laws, it is one of the services you receive.

    Agree, way better system.
     
  14. VulchR macrumors 68020

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    The private sector is unreliable. We keep hearing about how the public sector should be run like a business, yet most businesses fail within 10 years of starting and there are very few businesses that have lasted as long as the governments of the US or UK (where I live). Perhaps businesses should be run like governments.
     
  15. cfedu macrumors 65816

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    That was tried in the USSR and China.
     
  16. VulchR macrumors 68020

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    No, the instances you cite are of governments running corporations, and that doesn't work well for anything other than essential services.
     
  17. cfedu macrumors 65816

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    Really, what would the difference be? How did these government corporations run their businesses could you explain how this is different? I do agree that certain things should be run by the state, like prisons, police, and certain aspects of the healthcare system, but to have a business run like government would be catastrophic since making a profit is not their priority.

    In Canada we have a doughnut chain called Tim Hortons like Dunkin Donuts in the USA. The government runs some of the franchisees in hospitals and they all lose money. If the government can't run a Donut shop, I would not even trust them to run a Lemonade stand.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/tim-hortons-loses-265k-at-hospital-union-won-t-budge-1.1136257

    and another one

    http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...n-st-johns-hospital-a-cautionary-tale-critics

    http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/325804
     
  18. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    I agree. My vote influences city, county, state, and federal governments. I can get involved in a political party, or run for any level of office. And there are millions of hard working people (inlcluding me) making positive contributions as government employees.

    Our government is the only body contractually responsible to the people. In my life, I've seen business undergo tremendous change. Companies that once felt invulnerable have fallen to changing markets and technologies. Commerce of 100 years ago is vastly different from commerce today. Our government, however, constrained as it is by the Constitution, resists the kind of change that drives the private sector.

    So for the sake of consistency, constancy, and my ability to directly influence and participate in government, that's who I rely on more.
     
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