Sinking Island Passes Fundraising Goal After Trump Says It's Not Sinking

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  1. steve knight macrumors 68020

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    got to love the irony here. they love trump and trump will do nothing for them trump sure is not going to build a wall for them.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tangier-island-trump-sinking_us_5945c1ede4b01eab7a2e2a9f

     
  2. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    This has nothing to do with trump, but I question the decision to build a sea wall. Rather than fight against the effects of sea level rise, my instinct is to abandon areas and retreat to safer and more sustainable ground. If there is a significant benefit to saving the land, then it may be worth the cost. But I'd be careful about throwing money at a problem that will defy solutions for many living on the coast.
     
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    These islands have a unique culture and community that cannot be simply transplanted elsewhere.
     
  4. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Culture and community are human constructs. While they may be irreplaceable, I wouldn't choose to built a sea wall in the hope of maintaining it. Rising sea levels will force us to make some tough choices and endure significant loses. We'll probably make the mistake many times where we try to save that which cannot be saved.
     
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    there are 450 people there, how much are they going to spend on 450 people? how many millions?

    like New Orleans?
     
  6. steve knight thread starter macrumors 68020

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    wait I thought trump is willing to do that to the 1% on healthcare (G)
     
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    no but would it be a start? trump was the one that told them not to worry what magic does he have up his sleeve?
     
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    carbon credits will save it :p
     
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    Laugh on while China steps up and takes the lead, with India alongside.

    The era of Trump brings on the new millennia of the East....

    EDIT: 2nd try on spelling millennia... weak coffee again sheesh.
     
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    In polluting, that's for sure.
     
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    lead in what? do they pollute more or less than the U.S.
    where is the ROI in spending millions to protect 450 people?
     
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    Remember, according to them China has to increase it's pollutants over "decades" until they become part of the world stage and eventually lower them. Makes sense, right?
     
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    I'm not necessarily defending the Chesapeake island "rescue" idea. I'm saying Trump turning his back on environmental improvement and climate change mitigation is a poor idea. Also saying China and India are tuned into it and working on it. Do you think Chinese citizens will put up forever with wearing masks to work because of bad air and having to truck or fly water in because of dead pigs floating in the river or the water suddenly turning purple, black or catching fire? They have manufacturing they took on from us that they now know they have to spend up the cost of, and innovate to mitigate pollutants as byproducts, since the pollution is killing them. So they're starting to work on it. Our kicking in $$$ was in part an acknowledgment that we benefit by not having the manufacturing processes as currently conducted still trying to kill us onshore here.

    Despite Trump's stated intent to "Bring Back the Jobs", he's now dismissing both the importance of the pollution factors here or world wide, and also belittling the ways in which the whole planet was rolling up sleeves to combat both those environmental damage issues and the related matter of climate change. The world is not going to say oh I see, you right Mr. Prez. The world is already shrugging and turning east.
     
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    You know what's crazy though. Carbon Credits was actually a Republican idea and policy, and it actually reduced green house gases by up to 50%. That stuff that caused acid rain.
     
  16. LizKat macrumors 68040

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    Shhh,,,,, don't tell anyone...
     
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    we don't have the cash, we borrowed from THEM to stay at war, THEY have cash and THEY need to clean THEIR home with said cash.
     
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    The only reason they have cash is we parked our manufacturing there to avoid the costs related to our labor and our environmental regulations. Our investment in global innovation regarding mitigation of manmade pollutants has positive payback for us. Pollution does not respect any walls or borders someone draws on a map or creates by way of import taxes, hard borders for customs inspections etc. Earth has one atmosphere protecting and preserving the usefulness of our land and water masses. We all share that while we live on the Blue Marble together...

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    well, they have the means to make the changes we all need, have at it.
     
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    As you said, they have parked the dough in Treasury Bills and invested in Arkansas hog farms and the intricate supply chains involved in growing a chicken, slaughtering it, shipping the meat to China for formation into nuggets and shipping them back frozen ready for distribution to markets and fast food joints. And... their burgeoning middle class buys stuff we design, like iPhones...

    Let's play pickup sticks, shall we? How about we have them dump the T bills first...
     
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    at their own peril. we have an "exchange" of money , they build we buy etc etc etc, if our economy crashes so do theirs to a degree. they are killing their own citizens with pollution so they should make the changes.
     
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    Check out a book called "The hundred-Year Marathon." Maybe people who read that won't be so eager to help the Chinese.
     
  25. LizKat macrumors 68040

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    There are lots of books out that note China is not just a partner but a competitor. Trump is certainly not helping us maintain our standing vis a vis the far east, IN the far east.

    Why would one consider climate change mitigation "helping the Chinese"? We have one planet to maintain or destroy with respect to its suitability for human life. Of 192 nations, we are the only country currently not interested because we're suddenly NOT INTERESTED, officially, although 2 other countries didn't sign the accord because they thought it didn't go far enough towards making a serious effort.

    Some on the right keep citing the "unfairness" of US making large investments in climate change mitigation efforts internationally as being the basis for the idea that we are not interested. That is not what our current failure to be interested in it is about. Trump is a climate change denier with a cabinet full of science deniers and an intense desire to save money for tax cuts to the wealthy and a desire to withdraw from any obligation to any alliance of any sort whatsoever. He's a big ol' freeloader, basically. The world is going to keep working on climate change mitigation and popular resistance here at home to environmental pollution will shoot down the worst of his ideas to resume pollution and exploitation of fossil fuels that should be left in the ground in favor of focus on renewables. If we want to talk about unfairness, we benefit without paying into the effort?
     

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