Six Mile High Agony

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Plutonius, Sep 23, 2016.

  1. Plutonius macrumors 604


    Feb 22, 2003
    New Hampshire, USA
    An interesting article showing an airline passenger suing an airline for sitting him next to a passenger that he considered obese.

    - What airline horror stories do you have about the passenger next to you ?

    - Do you think the passenger is right in suing the airline ?

    - Do you think that people should be able to sue the airlines for noisy kids or anything else that makes a flight uncomfortable ?

    - How about sitting you next to a gender, religion, or nationality you don't like ?
  2. zioxide macrumors 603


    Dec 11, 2006
    He should win. He paid for a seat, not 75% of a seat.
  3. yaxomoxay macrumors 68040


    Mar 3, 2010
    This is different than the other examples you mean. In this case his personal space (for which he paid for) was invaded by the other customer, for the entirety of the flight. We're not talking about noisy kids (on a noisy airplane), or someone who touches you. He paid for a service (a seat), and he did not get it.

    My horror story? Not truly horrible. NYC to Milan. This italian lady, about 55, sits next to me and says to her friends (in Italian thinking that I can't understand) how hot I am (I am not), and that she wanted to have fun with me especially because I was fairly young.
    Hoping to make her stop, I just tell her :"Piacere di conoscerla, finisce il viaggio a Milano?". After a few seconds, she starts flirting with me in the most awful way. About 9 hours of true terror.
  4. Huntn macrumors P6


    May 5, 2008
    The Misty Mountains
    There is the reality, and political correctness working against him, however the premise is correct. As a career airline employee, I fully support the idea that you are buying 100% of a seat. Although I don't think this involved a commuter plane, I know that the 2-2 configuration in commuter jets as a rule is tight for tall and normal sized people. I don't appreciate rubbing elbow and butt with strangers.

    My wife got a crick in her neck sitting next to an obese person who took up 1/3 of her seat.

    For the obese, the airlines need to come to terms with these travelers of who there seems to be a lot of them around. It might have to be buy two discounted seats.
  5. citizenzen macrumors 65816

    Mar 22, 2010
    I'm sure he got his whole seat. He just wanted the armrest as well.

    Since nobody has ever determined who actually has the legal right to the armrest, this could be a ground-breaking lawsuit.
  6. yaxomoxay macrumors 68040


    Mar 3, 2010
    I do.
  7. citizenzen macrumors 65816

    Mar 22, 2010
    See? That's why we need a trial ... the trial of the century.
  8. Chew Toy McCoy macrumors regular

    Chew Toy McCoy

    May 13, 2016
    They need to start XXL Airlines for plus sized people or maybe existing airlines should have a fleet retrofitted for larger people. Would probably make a killing in the US. There’s personal responsibility but I also partially blame the dietary options available. Eating properly shouldn’t be a secondary career but that’s pretty much the way it is. Stress is also a contributing factor and who isn't stressed here?
  9. Plutonius thread starter macrumors 604


    Feb 22, 2003
    New Hampshire, USA
    I'm concerned more with pets being allowed next to me rather than some heavy person next to me. If I own 100% of my seat, do I own the airspace around my seat and can assume an allergy free flight ?
  10. sim667 macrumors 65816

    Dec 7, 2010
    Ask me last year, and I've have been all "nah, why should he get any compensation"

    However as someone who's lost quite a lot of weight this year (I say quite a lot of weight, but I actually mean a quality of life changing about of weight), I can see it from the other side a bit now. That said the airline cannot predict who will be sitting where, and really this is nothing more than one of life's nuisances.

    However it was being discussed on the radio this morning, and it was suggested they'll probably settle it privately, he's a gold airline passenger, i.e. in their membership scheme, and flies with them regularly.
  11. jnpy!$4g3cwk macrumors 65816


    Feb 11, 2010
    I'm not obese, but, I have long legs and wide shoulders. IMHO, airlines are discriminating against me by making all the seats too small. But, if everyone is obese and they have to make the seats bigger for everyone, that works for me also.

    My worst experiences have all been when I was stuck in the the back of a plane with the super-small seats some have, with some jerk in front of me who insists it is their right to lean their back as far as possible. Torture. I got pretty good at subtle methods for preventing seats from leaning back all the way. ;)

    Fortunately, with the online seat layout websites I can usually avoid the worst airline/seat combinations now.
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    If that is everyone, they should just make the seats bigger.
  12. Plutonius thread starter macrumors 604


    Feb 22, 2003
    New Hampshire, USA
    They actually sell devices now that lock onto your tray table to prevent the seat in front of you from being reclined. I'm not sure how an airline would react but it can't be good.

    I usually fly Southwest (no assigned seating) and arrange it (no advanced boarding pass) such that I'm towards the rear of the line. It limits your seats (usually the middle one) but it allows you to pick your neighbors on the flight.
  13. Herdfan macrumors 6502

    Apr 11, 2011
    Two situations and both involve poop.

    First situation, we were on a flight from San Juan to Charlotte, NC. As soon as the plane touched down the lady in the row in front of us woke her kid up which caused him to poop. It happens. But then she decided that she needed to change the diaper while we were taxiing. OMG what did she feed that kid. Why she couldn't wait the 5 minutes and take him to the bathroom in the terminal is what everyone on that plane was wondering.

    Second situation. On a CRJ going somewhere the lady a couple of rows behind us had a baby that pooped. Again, it happens. This time the stench from inside the diaper was horrible. So the lady got up and laid the child in the row and began to change him. The FA came tearing back and told her she needed to get back in her seat as that was not permitted. (The Fasten seatbelt sign was off). So she picked the baby back up and sat back down. The guy sitting beside her offered to get up so she could use the seat. Again as soon as she started to change the diaper the same FA came back and forced her to stop. So by now the baby is crying in addition to stinking. So that is what we had for the rest of the hour long flight.

    On the upside, I got the FA's name and went to the CS desk in the airport and complained. The added 10K miles to my account.
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    I read that the new Boeing plane is going to have wider seats - but just the middle ones. So would you accept being in a middle seat if it were 2 inches wider?
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    No matter how little I eat, my shoulders are not going to get narrower.
  14. Raid macrumors 68020


    Feb 18, 2003
    Ah yes the 6 mile high game of inches. Really I would be upset if I felt cramped, but judging from the picture the guy took, that 75% of the seat he's occupying is more like 85% to 90%... but still yeah any amount of another persion occupying my already small seat would be very annoying.
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    yg17 macrumors G5


    Aug 1, 2004
    St. Louis, MO
    They already do, it's called first class.

    I have the exact opposite story. Flying from STL-IAD. While waiting to board, there's a couple with an infant, seriously kid looked like he was born yesterday, and he poops. Despite being in the terminal with ample facilities to change a kid's diaper, they decide to change it right there on the floor in the middle of the terminal.

    We board, and guess who's sitting in the row in front of us? Shortly after takeoff, the kid poops again, but instead of going in the lav to change the diaper, they decide to let the kid sit in it for 2 hours. The entire plane, a small RJ, smells rancid, and I am right behind it. It was a miserable flight. Topped only by the time I flew to Frankfurt and behind me was a baby who cried almost nonstop the entire 8 hours, while the parents put on headphones and watched a movie, completely ignoring it.
  16. thermodynamic Suspended


    May 3, 2009
    People who spill hot coffee or get a 11.2" sub sue companies, so why not?

    Up next, the anorexic bulimic who sues because she or he* paid 100% for a seat of which only half of which is used, how ****ing ridiculous is this "society" coming to as everyone gleefully ignores bigger incidents of outright fleecing yet everyone whips out the fiddles for tiny pissant issues like these. Give me ****ing strength on some days, sheesh... :mad:
  17. aaronvan Suspended


    Dec 21, 2011
    República Cascadia
    He should stop flaunting his healthy-eating privilege. Fat-shaming is a micro-aggression.
  18. Snoopy4 macrumors 6502a


    Dec 29, 2014
    The worst experience I've had was sitting next to a fat slob that smelled like the ass end of a donkey for three hours. By the time I got off that plane I smelled like he did. It was disgusting. I can't imagine 9 hours of it.
  19. ibookg409 Suspended


    Apr 20, 2016
    Portsmouth, NH
    I travel all the time. I've got 200,000 miles with united. I've been stuck next to the fat ones, the small ones, the screaming kids, the talkers, the arm rest thieves, etc. Now with so many miles I pretty much always get the first class upgrade, like I did yesterday.

    The worst horror story was the guy I sat next to from Atlanta to Hawaii that smelled like he was soaking in urine and eating poop sandwiches.
  20. Eraserhead macrumors G4


    Nov 3, 2005
    That's bad.
  21. MarkusL macrumors 6502

    Jun 1, 2014
    I have been lucky and never ended up next to anyone really horrible. The weirdest one so far was this guy who was sitting turned 90 degrees and used me as a back rest. He pretended to not understand any English, German or Swedish, but he understood a gentle elbow in his back well enough to take a break from it for up to 5 minutes at a time. And it was a 90 minute flight so I didn't freak out about it the way I would probably have done on a long haul.

    Although it doesn't really affect me personally, the thing that fascinates me the most are the people who think "I hold here a ticket to FLY through the AIR, so it stands to reason that I am the most important person all these airline employees have ever met".

    Passenger: I want to upgrade to business class.
    Gate attendant: I'm sorry sir, business class is fully booked on this morning's flight.
    Passenger: What? When I flew with Lufthansa last week there was no problem to upgrade at the gate!
    Gate attendant: They probably had free seats in business class on that flight.
    Passenger: British Airways has such terrible service!

    Or the time when we were landing in Montreal and the flight attendant said "Ladies and gentlemen, I would like to ask for your help. We have 57 passengers who have a very tight connection to New York, La Guardia. In order to let them off the plane as quickly as possible, we are asking everyone who does not have a connecting flight within 45 minutes to please remain seated when the seatbelt sign turns off." And when the sign turned off, 300 people scrambled to their feet as if she had yelled "EVACUATE".
  22. pdqgp macrumors 68020


    Mar 23, 2010
    I was on a flight where a guy with Dreadlocks stunk so back nearly everyone around complained. 6 or more people got up and refused to sit next to him. He was eventually escorted off the plane and the entire plane cheered.

    That said, I travel a lot and when/if I'm seated next to a stinky or a fat person, I typically ask to move. The rare instance where even a moderately heavy person is there I have no problem in a polite way asking them to see they aren't spread out into my space as to literally be making contact with me. I"m not comfortable with that and expect them to adhere to that. I most always take the end seat don't mind sharing an armrest but I don't want back-fat or huge arms rubbing me the entire trip.
  23. jnpy!$4g3cwk macrumors 65816


    Feb 11, 2010
    LOL, we must have been on the same flight! No wait, mine was United/O'Hare. Or was in Denver, ... Or, ...

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