Slowly leaving the Apple garden...

redneckitengineer

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I've slowly been switching away from Apple products. The R&D is stale, the walled garden is getting annoying, and they're falling way behind in features. I'm down to 3 Apple Products left.

- I've had a long history of MacBooks, and I'm done. I recently switched over to a Lenovo X1 Extreme Gen 2 with i9, 64Gb RAM, 2x 1TB SSD, and WiFi 6 AX. With a 4k touchscreen OLED that gets 100% Adobe RGB, the screen is gorgeous. I have ports again: HDMI, Ethernet, USBC, USB3.1A, Kensington, SD Card, headphone, SmartCard. No more dongle dumpster fire. My Wacom 2048point pen is fantastic for drawing with multiple buttons for custom settings. I can replace my RAM, SSD, WiFi, clean the fans, change the battery, all with a phillips screwdriver. I've bought and enabled CompuTrace in the BIOS, allowing deeper theft protection that Apple doesn't have. Yes, battery life is WAY down, but I'm rarely far from a charger for that long. Macbooks are stale, I don't care what you say about resale value.

- I sold my Apple Watch, and went back to normal ones. I enjoyed my mechanical automatics, and the look of skeletal frames. I appreciate not having to plug it in daily, or really push myself to close the rings. My Wahoo Roam records all my exercise with HR strap. If Apple changed from square to other designs, and opened up custom faces, I could consider going back. I also really want a VO2 Max sensor like you'll see in Garmin watches.

- AirPods Pro, the recent firmware updates are increasingly reducing their function for me. The noise cancel was great, but I find it more annoying with the touch and hold vs the tap tap of the originals. They've now started a cracking noise which is documented all over this site. With many other competitors catching up, not seeing the benefits anymore.

- Apple TV, I don't think I'll change this one. It's still hands down the best device for streaming content. My TV has all the services I use built in, but trying to use DPAD on remote is impossible vs voice entry. Roku is slow. I'll probably never depart from this.

- iCloud. I've stopped paying for space. My O365 account comes with 1TB and I sync the photos and files seamlessly to my OneDrive. My iCloud just holds my iPhone backup now. OneDrive works better with Office documents, and I just find it a better experience.

- TV+, Arcade, News: I never really thought to buy into these services, and never will. They don't appeal to me.

- I sold my iPhone 11 Pro Max, and went back to my iPhone SE 1. I missed a phone that fit in the hand, works via fingerprint which is a bonus in these mask wearing days, sunglasses and bike helmet wearing. Yes the battery is really bad, and the camera is marginal, but it gets the job done. I don't have to stretch the fingers to work the keyboard, and using SwiftKey, I can text without looking at phone again. If only it was water-resistant and had Qi.

I've been thinking for a while of dumping the iPhone and AirPods and going back to Android. I was an Android person for many years until a girl I dated demanded I switch to IOS for FaceTime or she'd leave, so I switched. (For clarification, 10 out of 10 natural green eyed redhead, my Achilles heel) I still have an Apple Card I'd have to cancel, and some apps that I'd have to figure out, but otherwise not much holding me back. I miss the creativity of manufacturers, the open environment, rooting for features, custom ROMS. I've got a long history over at XDA. I'm tempted to hold off for these "Apple glasses", as I was a user of Google Glass and really enjoyed them.

I switched to iPhone for a girl but at the time fragmentation was a mess in Android, cases for iPhones were easier to find, and being forced to one form-factor provided an easier app experience. Nowadays cases can be found for any phone, USBC is more available, and apps are pretty seamless one to the other. I wouldn't need adapters for my battery banks, laptop, plug a flash drive into a phone. The Windows "Your Phone" app is solid for texting via laptop. I can install Firefox, set it as a default browser and have it sync to laptop. I'd still recommend an iPhone for my parents, and folks that need that ease of use, but Android opens the door to endless possibilities with styling, features, specs, colors, and more.

I added some pics from my past, 3 of my nexus phones at once, and my old G4 and Macbook Pro which I has custom engraved by laser. I go back with both Apple and Android simultaneously. When I bough my iPhone 3G, I was quoted and photographed in the local news for being the idiot first in line at an ATT store overnight waiting. When I bought my Verizon Droid, it was the first real Android 2.0. Oh I miss that sliding keyboard. I had an HP iPod, a Mini, a Nano, a Touch, and a Shuffle. I've had an iPad, a Mini, and a Pro. I've owned all 3 versions of AirPods. I miss my sexy black MacBook from college.

After all my years and support of both Apple and Android, and Mac and Windows, I've reached the point where I'm ready to cut off Apple. This isn't a rant, it's not a vent. It's a goodbye letter to a company I loved, one who has lost it's "think different" by making everything the same.
 

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Stevie jobz 2.0

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Switch to ios or I'm outta here? Really? Sod the numerous other free perfectly viable video calling options? Oh dear.. Do you really think that sort of weak knee'd behaviour is something a wife would look for in a future husband. Fella, you should have dumped her, not the other way round....
 

kkh786

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I have been back and forth between Apple and other OEMs for most of the mainstream devices Apple make such as phone, music player, wireless speaker, wireless headphone, streaming service, cloud data storage etc.

However, three things I have never migrated from are the Macbook Pro, the iPad and the Apple TV. In my use case and humble opinion no one does these three0 things better.

Therefore, I don't think I'll ever fully leave Apple.
 
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Northern Man

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I have been back and forth between Apple and other OEMs for most of the mainstream devices Apple make such as phone, music player, wireless speaker, wireless headphone, streaming service, cloud data storage etc.

However, three things I have never migrated from are the Macbook Pro, the iPad and the Apple TV. In my use case and humble opinion no one does these three0 things better.

Therefore, I don't think I'll ever fully leave Apple.
How do you find your Watch Active 2?
 

redneckitengineer

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You changing ecosystems because she forced you is probably why she left you in the first place.
Switch to ios or I'm outta here? Really? Sod the numerous other free perfectly viable video calling options? Oh dear.. Do you really think that sort of weak knee'd behaviour is something a wife would look for in a future husband. Fella, you should have dumped her, not the other way round....
Who said she dumped me? I left her because my career required a move that she wouldn't take. And if you've never dated a redhead...you'd never understand their temper. I had my fun, and moved on. Tech is tech, brands are brands. Leaving an operating system isn't a life choice, it's based on personal needs at the time of the decision. Loyalty to a brand you pay for is why companies can mark up their prices without delivering better products.

I'm proud to remain unmarried, I have the freedom to do what I want, when I want, where I want, and how I want without having to ask for permission. Cars, motorcycles, jetski, trips, bicycles, furniture, etc. and I don't have to compromise.

Since when did posting about leaving Apple products turn into an attempt to attack my personality? And we wonder why the world is going to $hi7.
 

kkh786

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How do you find your Watch Active 2?
From the fact that I have had the Galaxy Watch Active2 the longest from all my previous smart watches to date (this includes a couple of Apple watches) should say something.

The Galaxy Watch Active2 has been flawless for me as I love the rotary design, battery life and most importantly weight as a daily driver. Granted I have only used it with two Samsung devices (Note10 and now S20+).
 

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- I've had a long history of MacBooks, and I'm done. I recently switched over to a Lenovo X1 Extreme Gen 2 with i9, 64Gb RAM, 2x 1TB SSD, and WiFi 6 AX. With a 4k touchscreen OLED that gets 100% Adobe RGB, the screen is gorgeous. I have ports again: HDMI, Ethernet, USBC, USB3.1A, Kensington, SD Card, headphone, SmartCard. No more dongle dumpster fire. My Wacom 2048point pen is fantastic for drawing with multiple buttons for custom settings. I can replace my RAM, SSD, WiFi, clean the fans, change the battery, all with a phillips screwdriver. I've bought and enabled CompuTrace in the BIOS, allowing deeper theft protection that Apple doesn't have. Yes, battery life is WAY down, but I'm rarely far from a charger for that long. Macbooks are stale, I don't care what you say about resale value.
The Lenovo X1 is one badass machine. I'd own that any day over a MB or MBP. It's better built in most cases, it's cheaper and they typically are built to upgrade easier. The keyboards are simply the best.

I purchased a Lenovo ThinkCentre Tiny PC which has specs comparable to my 2018 Mini and it is just as fast as my 2018 i5 Mini. It has also given me trouble free service. I can't say the same for my Mini and it cost less than half of what I paid for the Mini $398 vs $929 (Mini).
 
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TopherMan12

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I've parted ways with Apple entirely but not because I have any negative thoughts about Apple or its products. I just find that I need products that work better outside of the Apple ecosystem. I love the idea of a cohesive ecosystem, but only to the extent that it makes it so products work well together rather than isolating products to a single company. Samsung phones and Windows work great together and since Windows is my OS of choice as a gamer, Samsung is the product I went with.

How do you find your Watch Active 2?
It is a good watch, imo. But I wish the faces were more customizable. I installed the Samsung Watch Designer to create my own and it is just extremely limited even when making one from scratch. You don't have the ability to customize sections like you can on Apple Watch where pretty much any complication can have a place on the face. There are hundreds of third party watch faces, but they are all just cosmetic variations of the same thing over and over again. But all that isn't enough to keep me in the Apple ecosystem as Apple Watch stupidly requires iPhone. Active 2 does the things I need it to and does them well. I have my workout functionality with daily goal reminders just like I had on Apple Watch. That's the crux of my needs and so I'm happy with it.
 
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Shanghaichica

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I've parted ways with Apple entirely but not because I have any negative thoughts about Apple or its products. I just find that I need products that work better outside of the Apple ecosystem. I love the idea of a cohesive ecosystem, but only to the extent that it makes it so products work well together rather than isolating products to a single company. Samsung phones and Windows work great together and since Windows is my OS of choice as a gamer, Samsung is the product I went with.



It is a good watch, imo. But I wish the faces were more customizable. I installed the Samsung Watch Designer to create my own and it is just extremely limited even when making one from scratch. You don't have the ability to customize sections like you can on Apple Watch where pretty much any complication can have a place on the face. There are hundreds of third party watch faces, but they are all just cosmetic variations of the same thing over and over again. But all that isn't enough to keep me in the Apple ecosystem as Apple Watch stupidly requires iPhone. Active 2 does the things I need it to and does them well. I have my workout functionality with daily goal reminders just like I had on Apple Watch. That's the crux of my needs and so I'm happy with it.
That’s one of the limitations I found with the galaxy watch. You can only have the complications that the developer of the watch face sets out on the watch. There isn’t anywhere as much freedom as you get with the Apple Watch. The complications also tend to be the same things, date, weather, heart rate, step count and activity. However the sheer amount of watch faces available is nice on the galaxy watch. You’d never get bored.
 
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maj71303

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I guess it depends on the person and circumstances. I left apple once the S20 series came out. I decided to just rip the Band-Aid off and just convert over all at once instead of bit by bit. My wife also just ripped the Band-Aid off the same yesterday after years in the iOS ecosystem. I owned the iPhone 11 pro max and apple watch and the wife an iPhone 11 with apple watch. we jointly have a iPad pro and a MacBook air 2018.

Now I have an S20+ and Watch Active 2 and she has the S20 and Galaxy Fit since she doesn't use anything but fitness tracking. Main issue was that Apple has grown stale and the wall garden is stifling.
 
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