Smith & Wesson nails what Obama did for gun sales

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The irony of the gun control debate is that when it seems tighter gun control policy is coming, sales spike.

"[W]e experienced strong consumer demand for our firearm products following a new administration taking office in Washington, D.C. in 2009," said the management of gunmaker Smith & Wesson.

That's when President Barack Obama moved into the White House.

The explanation for this phenomenon is pretty simple: If there's a risk that you won't be able to buy guns in the near future, then buy your guns now.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/smith-wesson-nails-obama-did-115655106.html

panic buying already started up again, maybe Colt will get over their BK really quick.
 

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Are the same people stocking up on firearms every single time a gun debate follows a tragedy? Cause the last several times were not even a generation apart. If you stocked up last time, what's you're purpose this time?
 

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Are the same people stocking up on firearms every single time a gun debate follows a tragedy? Cause the last several times were not even a generation apart.
yes & no.
people with nothing start buying over priced guns because they see a ban might be coming.
people with guns tend to stock up on what they have.
I on the other hand have sold most of my toys at a neat profit when things have been scarce. sucks I have nothing I am willing to let go at this time, maybe my AR uppers but that is about it. my hand guns are on my permit and I don't see much profit in selling those. the ARs are the ones that bring in the decent gains depending on configurations.
when the panic buyers sell their stuff at a good loss, that is when its a good time to buy, say a year or so from now.

after Sandy , I sold AR's for 1200 that I had picked up for under 700. lower receivers are about $100 on sale, sold mine for $300. BCGs brought in decent money as well, buy for $100 & sell for $200 with no need for paperwork.
 

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Panic buying= Those gun owners are ****ing idiots.
AKs used to be $170- 200 in CA, they sky rocketed to $1200.

they are no longer available in CA , if you see them on sale from a private party they are no less than 700. Norinco 1911's & M1A clones fetch decent prices as well. good luck finding a .50 cal for sale in CA at a store.

there IS a risk of crap NOT being available when stupid feel good legislation that does NOTHING gets passed. I only have 2 ARs and unless I get DOUBLE what I paid they are not going anywhere.
 
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AKs used to be $170- 200 in CA, they sky rocketed to $1200.

they are no longer available in CA , if you see them on sale from a private party they are no less than 700. Norinco 1911's & M1A clones fetch decent prices as well. good luck finding a .50 cal for sale in CA at a store.
And this is Obama's fault how? How much control does he have over the laws passed in California?

Texas just passed an open carry law. Can Obama take credit for that?

How much gun control legislation has he actually passed?
 
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And this is Obama's fault, how? How much control does he have over the laws passed in California?

Texas just passed an open carry law. Can Obama take credit for that?

How much gun control legislation has he actually passed?
anytime the POTUS or other clowns ACT on his command & pass more restrictions, gun sales soar, makes no difference who said what. or who gets affected.

CA does take it in the short when things get passed, no AKs, no Norinco, no .50 cal.
 
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The explanation for this phenomenon is pretty simple:
Rubes are morons.

...also, too, there was something different about that new president that I can't quite put my finger on. Thinking, thinking...
 

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anytime the POTUS or other clowns ACT on his command & pass more restrictions, gun sales soar, makes no difference who said what. or who gets affected.

CA does take it in the short when things get passed, no AKs, no Norinco, no .50 cal.
So basically gun owners and gun companies are taking advantage of other gun owners' ignorance and paranoia and are conveniently blaming Obama?

And, are you saying that California passed those laws because Obama told them to?

Again, I ask, what gun control legislation has Obama actually passed?
 

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1.So basically gun owners and gun companies are taking advantage of other gun owners' ignorance and stupidity and are conveniently blaming Obama?

2.And, are you saying that California passed those laws because Obama told them to?

Again, I ask, what gun control legislation has Obama actually passed?
1. NRA does NOT have to say anything, people see Obama talk gun control & they act based on that, 90 Million gun owners or so and only 5 million are in the NRA.

2 CA passes laws even when republicans are in office (thanks Arnold)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/sep/14/20040914-114028-9959r/?page=all

3. http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/01/16/here-are-the-23-executive-orders-on-gun-safety-signed-today-by-the-president/
 

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1. NRA does NOT have to say anything, people see Obama talk gun control & they act based on that, 90 Million gun owners or so and only 5 million are in the NRA.

2 CA passes laws even when republicans are in office (thanks Arnold)

3. http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/01/16/here-are-the-23-executive-orders-on-gun-safety-signed-today-by-the-president/
1. Where did I mention the NRA?

2. So the answer is, it has nothing to do with Obama.

3. I don't see anything in those 23 executive orders about taking guns away or banning them, do you?
 
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1. Where did I mention the NRA?

2. So the answer is, it has nothing to do with Obama.

3. I don't see anything in those 23 executive orders about taking guns away or banning them, do you?
1 you did not, I jumped the gun :p

2. Clinton set precedence when he did his assault weapons ban, people obviously assume Obama would do something similar.

3 see 2.
there are gun and complete manufacturers who are NOT available for sale in CA due to democrats getting stupid. better safe than sorry & buy what they can while they can. our handgun roster is shrinking every year. gen 4 Glocks are not available to the public along with other brands. this is how CA works.
 

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1 you did not, I jumped the gun :p

2. Clinton set precedence when he did his assault weapons ban, people obviously assume Obama would do something similar.

3 see 2.
there are gun and complete manufacturers who are NOT available for sale in CA due to democrats getting stupid. better safe than sorry & buy what they can while they can. our handgun roster is shrinking every year. gen 4 Glocks are not available to the public along with other brands. this is how CA works.
So, basically, this has nothing to do with Obama? And your thread has been debunked? :)

He's been in office for 7 years and hasn't passed ANY gun legislation, so to continue to blame him while you're taking advantage of someone else's ignorance and paranoia is extremely ironic.

Regarding California: If you think democrats are stupid then get involved in local politics and try to change your legislators. It has nothing to do with Obama and everything to do with your local lawmakers.

I live in Texas and I routinely see billboards from Gun Shops and Pawn Shops about getting guns before you can't anymore. IN TEXAS! There is no strict gun control legislation even close to being passed here, but they have no problem making people believe there is. They know better than anyone else how paranoid people can be and have no problem taking advantage of it. They're selling you a bill of goods and you are buying it hook, line, and sinker.
 

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1.So, basically, this has nothing to do with Obama? And your thread has been debunked? :)

2.He's been in office for 7 years and hasn't passed ANY gun legislation, so to continue to blame him while you're taking advantage of someone else's ignorance and paranoia is extremely ironic.

3.Regarding California: If you think democrats are stupid then get involved in local politics and try to change your legislators. It has nothing to do with Obama and everything to do with your local lawmakers.

4.I live in Texas and I routinely see billboards from Gun Shops and Pawn Shops about getting guns before you can't anymore. IN TEXAS! There is no strict gun control legislation even close to being passed here, but they have no problem making people believe there is. They know better than anyone else how paranoid people can be and have no problem taking advantage of it.
1.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/charleston-church-shooting/charleston-church-shooting-president-obama-deliver-remarks-n377726

"I don't need to be constrained about the emotions tragedies like this raise," the president said. "I've had to make comments like this too many times. Communities like this have had to endure tragedies like this too many times. We don't have all the facts, but we do know that, once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun."
2 thank Clinton.

3. like I said, it is not just the democrats here.


4 FEAR sells, sadly HERE in CA the fears are somewhat justified.
 

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/28/obama-gun-control-state-of-the-union_n_4684426.html

One year later, with his gun control agenda considered dead on Capitol Hill, the president used the same venue to pledge that he will advance measures to reduce gun violence "with or without Congress."

"Citizenship means standing up for the lives that gun violence steals from us each day," Obama said Tuesday in his State of the Union address. "I have seen the courage of parents, students, pastors, and police officers all over this country who say 'we are not afraid,' and I intend to keep trying, with or without Congress, to help stop more tragedies from visiting innocent Americans in our movie theaters, shopping malls, or schools like Sandy Hook."
 

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"I don't need to be constrained about the emotions tragedies like this raise," the president said. "I've had to make comments like this too many times. Communities like this have had to endure tragedies like this too many times. We don't have all the facts, but we do know that, once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun."
Seems like a true statement to me, but we'll know more when we find out how he got the gun. Reports today are saying he purchased it himself.

Obama is for gun control, as many politicians are, in the face of what seems like weekly mass murders here. That said, in the 7 years he has been in office, he has not passed ANY legislation banning guns or making it harder to obtain guns. You can quote 100 speeches but that fact will not change.

What will also not change is the fact that the gun industry, and private sellers, are using your (your meaning other gun owners) own ignorance and paranoia to their advantage. Blame Obama all you want, but you're doing this to each other.
 

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1.Seems like a true statement to me, but we'll know more when we find out how he got the gun. Reports today are saying he purchased it himself.

2.Obama is for gun control, as many politicians are, in the face of what seems like weekly mass murders here. That said, in the 7 years he has been in office, he has not passed ANY legislation banning guns or making it harder to obtain guns. You can quote 100 speeches but that fact will not change.

3.What will also not change is the fact that the gun industry, and private sellers, are using your (your meaning other gun owners) own ignorance and paranoia to their advantage. Blame Obama all you want, but you're doing this to each other.
1.link? I read dad gave him the gun.

2. just like Clinton, he only needs to be successful ONCE.

3. Obama/Clinton/Democrats, its all good, makes no difference really who is to blame, just buy my AR for double what I paid for it :D
 

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1.link? I read dad gave him the gun.

2. just like Clinton, he only needs to be successful ONCE.

3. Obama/Clinton/Democrats, its all good, makes no difference really who is to blame, just buy my AR for double what I paid for it :D
The latest reports are he bought it with birthday money.
 

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1. Where did I mention the NRA?

2. So the answer is, it has nothing to do with Obama.

3. I don't see anything in those 23 executive orders about taking guns away or banning them, do you?
I think the point is that people see democrats being elected and they (perhaps reasonably) assume that some things may be the target of some attempts at restriction in the near future. So they buy now in an attempt to head that off.

It's not Obama's fault directly, more a function of his political affiliation. You could swap out any democrat for Obama and the result would be the same.
 
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I think the point is that people see democrats being elected and they (perhaps reasonably) assume that some things may be the target of some attempts at restriction in the near future. So they buy now in an attempt to head that off.
And my point was that even if those restrictive attempts never happen, they'll still "blame" Obama and the Democrats, even if it's not true.

jkcerda is a perfect example. He proved my point without meaning to. I truly believe that he actually thought that Obama passed legislation. I bet there's a lot of other people who actually haven't read the 23 executive orders who will cite them as proof that Obama is trying to take guns away. And I'm sure gun shops and gun owners who are selling at huge profits are happy that their customers are ignorant.
 

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It's not Obama's fault directly, more a function of his political affiliation. You could swap out any democrat for Obama and the result would be the same.
So Republicans are bad for gun sales:D? Perhaps the NRA should rethink their political donations. I'm not entirely serious. The behavior just seems like a rather extreme reaction.
 

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And my point was that even if those restrictive attempts never happen, they'll still "blame" Obama and the Democrats, even if it's not true.

jkcerda is a perfect example. He proved my point without meaning to. I truly believe that he actually thought that Obama passed legislation. I bet there's a lot of other people who actually haven't read the 23 executive orders who will cite them as proof that Obama is trying to take guns away. And I'm sure gun shops and gun owners who are selling at huge profits are happy that their customers are ignorant.
thanks to Clinton, NOTHING needs to be "passed", just the mere mention of gun control gets the shelves empty, its a nice spike for the economy :p
 
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