So Apple don't pay their taxes either...

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    So Apple don't pay their taxes either...

    Just like Starbucks, Facebook and Google.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20197710
     
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    What did Romney say? Something that most of us heard as the incentive to be a top earner is that you'll pay less taxes. Thats what I get out of his whole 14% tax rate reasoning that he pays.
     
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    I wonder if people will boycott Apple like they did Starbucks

    I doubt it!
     
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    Agreed. Every company does this.
     
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    Why should people boycott Apple? Everyone else does the same thing. Microsoft do, Amazon does, Google does and so on.

    The only companies who might not are Chaebol like Samsung or Chinese state owned enterprises, and I think McDonalds looks fairly good.
     
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    It's funny when you read the Starbucks app reviews and how accepting it is becoming here.

    It's legal but it's immoral for a company who claim to be morally responsible.

    I'd expect this of Ryanair, not Apple.
     
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    Unfortunately everyone does it.
     
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    I agree, it's a little disheartening for a "Rolls Royce" type company to do this. Ho hum.
     
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    I didnt say people should boycott Apple.

    I simply said i wonder if people will.

    Please read posts fully before replying. Otherwise it's a waste of everyones time and can make you look rather silly.
     
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    The people who will hear about Apple will also have heard about Amazon, Google etc. etc. doing the same thing.
     
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    You shouldn't expect anything different from one corporation or another. This isn't anything new. It's just that the deficit has once again called attention to it.
     
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    Why does that matter?
     
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    Forget Apple. I'm begining to feel like boycotting my own country. I'm self employed and if I so much as spell something wrong the tax people will come down on me like a ton of bricks.

    I can't understand how we've got into this situation. I can sort of understand how a manufacturing company that exports all it produces might get some sort of tax break. (Or even Google which might not actually exist anywhere.) But pandering to companies that are cannibalising existing longstanding demand that we've happily taxed for years is just madness.

    Take Starbucks for example, they make and sell real stuff - locally. Coffee in cups. To a queue of local people. If I tried to do this and avoid tax I would be prosecuted.

    Look HMRC - it's not rocket science. Refuse all those invites to nice dinners and the opera with the Chief Exec to discuss their tax affairs. Just go (or send the intern) to one of their busiest London stores and stand outside a store and count how many customers go in. Make a guess at their rent and staff costs and estimate the profit that gets made. Multiply this by the number of stores and hit them with the estimated tax bill.

    Not right, says Starbucks?

    OK fine! Give us the correct figures then.

    Oh, you're now going to leave the country - fine, go. You do realise you're not going to be able to take your customers with you. That's the big flaw in your cunning plan. They'll just go to other shops we're going to tax. We might even get some independent coffee shops back!
     
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    Indeed. And if publicly held companies didn't join in, there'd be a shareholder revolt.

    I don't like it either, but once one company exploits a loophole, the others have to follow suit just to stay competitive.
     
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    But...but...but...Steve told Obama the tax burden was too high!
     
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    Morally it's wrong and there couldn't be a company on such a tall moral high horse as Apple!!
     
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    :confused: What makes you say that?
     
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    Seriously?

    Apple preach all sorts of high morals from the materials their products are made of to the type of application you can install on your iOS devices.

    Like I said earlier, if this was Ryanair (An Irish very lost cost airline who tells you like it is), I would bat an eyelid, but this kind of behaviour from Apple puts them in the same boat as all the others.

    And this is coming from an Apple fan.
     
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    Okay, I think I see where you're coming from, but I'm assuming two things:
    1. The material issue you refer to concerns Apple’s preference for recyclable materials like aluminum.
    2. Your comment about apps, refers to Apple not selling hardcore porn via its iTunes and app stores.
    With respect to those points, I'm not sure Apple is making a moral stand, per se. More a case of Apple reflecting its customers values in a bid to win their custom. Good marketing. Good for the brand. Happy customers. Good for business.

    Now, if Apple's customers ever start saying, ”we want to pay more for our Apple products", then I'm sure Apple will happily jack up their prices so they can contribute more tax.
     

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