So how's the "surge" going for you?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by toontra, Apr 10, 2007.

  1. toontra macrumors 6502

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    After several weeks of Bush's surge we have 30 US troops killed in 10 days and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis (the people the US say they are there to benefit) are out on the streets asking for them to go home.

    So are we heading towards "mission accomplished" or Vietnam Mk 2?
     
  2. solvs macrumors 603

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    Did anyone really think this was going to work? Seriously? Of course it wouldn't work. Everything I've read has said it isn't working, and no one is surprised.

    For those who are wondering, no, I'm not happy about it. None of us are. Thats why we're so pissed off. Because we know we're losing. I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't like losing. Especially with something so important. It's not a matter of giving up any more, it's a matter of admitting there is nothing we can do to with this. Nothing. Sending a lot more soldiers to their deaths doesn't seem like it's going to do it.
     
  3. dylan macrumors 6502

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    The mission is going as planned. You didn't really think they were there to liberate Iraq did you? They are building permanent bases... they're not going anywhere.
     
  4. princealfie macrumors 68030

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    I'm trying to find a good surge protector. Any good options here? :eek:
     
  5. obeygiant macrumors 68040

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    Please site your sources for this...


    and this..
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  6. srobert macrumors 68020

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    I think you somehow stopped reading that sentence before the end. ;) I also went "what-da-hell!" for a second there.

    About that chart, I'd be curoius to see a more up-to-date one. I'm not saying it will have changed significantly either way, just curious.
     
  7. obeygiant macrumors 68040

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    whoops my bad. :0
     
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    The surge officially began February 1st, 2007. Since then, 206 US, 10 British, and one other foreign soldier have died, in 68 days.

    http://icasualties.org/oif/

    That's 3.19 soldiers a day, the highest rate of the war excepting the invasion.

    More dramatically, this month, 45 US and 6 British soldiers have died in the first 9 days.
     
  10. j26 macrumors 65832

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    Slide 3 might be indicative.
     
  11. princealfie macrumors 68030

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    Hmm... perhaps they photoshopped a tintype from the Civil War :)
     
  12. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    But other than that, it's going really well, right?
     
  13. obeygiant macrumors 68040

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    Yeah at least you can walk around with 100 infantry and air cover.
     
  14. TheAnswer macrumors 68030

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    Anyone have a similarly worded poll that's not from December 2005? (Maybe one from this year or late last year?)
     
  15. princealfie macrumors 68030

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    [​IMG]

    This is 2006 one concerning evolution :D.
     
  16. obeygiant macrumors 68040

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    here's a poll. From 2002.

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    link
    Im not sure how much stock I'd put into that website though. ;)
     
  17. miloblithe macrumors 68020

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    Given the typo in the poll you found, I doubt that's really Reuters/Gallop.

    Of course, if you continue to provide no links... :)
     
  18. skunk macrumors G4

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    For the first and last items, it ain't just the Muslims. And those figures are on the low side, I'd say. Looks like a pretty stupid poll. Where did that come from?
     
  19. OldCorpse macrumors 65816

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    Sad. Folks in the ME believe by 61% it was not Arabs who committed 9-11. That's how hatred is maintained. They believe lies about us, and we believe lies about them. Two wrongs don't make a right. Nobody wants to take responsibility for the crimes committed by their own side. Not people in the ME, and not here, in the U.S.

    Whatever explanations for 9-11, there can never be justification. Wrong is wrong. Just as we were wrong to invade Iraq. No excuses are acceptable.
     
  20. obeygiant macrumors 68040

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    lol, I know! I did a search on Poll Graphic and that was something that came up.
     
  21. skunk macrumors G4

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    This caught my eye, browsing through Reuters to see if there was any reference to that poll. Enlightening, I thought:
    http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSARM55127020070225
     
  22. obeygiant macrumors 68040

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    they're not too hard to find, just drag the graphic into the url address window.
     
  23. psychofreak Retired

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    What would you count as winning? Peace? That was never going to happen...the Arab world is not ready for democracy...and even the west isn't doing very well with it..
     
  24. obeygiant macrumors 68040

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    I think you should take that article with a grain of salt. Sure there are pockets of people who may think that way, but for the silent majority tatooing Muslims just wouldn't fly. I've been to England a few times and ate at few restaurants and the food sucked, but do I think England doesn't have good food? No, it probably does. (lol could be a bad example ;) )
     

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