So I can use a Verizon phone internationally??

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  1. FatGuy007 macrumors 6502

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    I live overseas but I can order from the Online store, but I'm just wondering if it can work with any sim card? If so, why is the unlocked phone 650$?
     
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  3. Mliii macrumors 65816

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    To make a good choice, you check out the discussion in other places on this website before you buy. Here is one such thread (there are plenty of others):
    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1447110

    To repeat, there is NO Universal iPhone 5 if you are interested in LTE coverage overseas. It depends on where you live outside of the US and which channel (frequency) your particular country uses for LTE.

    If you don't care about LTE, it's a different story.
     
  4. FatGuy007 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    My country fully supports LTE, if I put another sim card inside an Verizon phone, will it work?
     
  5. rritterson, Sep 25, 2012
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    What county are you in? There are 25 different LTE frequencies and the Verizon phone only supports Verizon, Sprint and one Japanese carrier on LTE. http://www.apple.com/iphone/LTE/ (note the Verizon phone supports all the bands the international model does so I'm not sure why Apple says it will not work in Europe)

    It will work on 3G, HSPA+ and DC-HSPA though. All phones are unlocked through Verizon. The $650 phone doesn't require a service contract, the $199 phone requires a 2 year contract. Online in the USA apple store requires a 2 year contract, but if you are not a US citizen, you don't have a US social security number or credit history, I bet you can't sign up for service, which means you can't buy online.

    In a month or so they will start selling the global LTE phone unlocked with no contract. That's the one you want.
     
  6. Mliii macrumors 65816

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    Where have you seen this? My understanding is that, for exactly the reason you have stated (many frequency variations for LTE Worldwide), there will NOT be a UNIVERSAL LTE iPhone 5.

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    Not necessarily. It depends on what channel your country uses for LTE.
    For example, both of the 1429 models support channels 1, 3 & 5. But those only work in parts of the world- Germany, Japan, the UK, etc.
    But NONE of the current iPhone 5 models support the frequency used for LTE in Spain (for example)...
    So you need to be sure your country uses one of the limited channels available for the current crop of iPhone 5's if you want to use LTE.
     
  7. apierrec macrumors 6502

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    What do you mean by global LTE phone unlocked will be available in a month or so - Apple already has a solution for all this no standard global LTE mess? One iP5 with a single LTE chip that could access LTE globally?
     
  8. whoknows87 macrumors 6502a

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    can't you just go an Apple store and purchase the Phone out of contract ?
     
  9. Robbkt macrumors newbie

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    Some People says that once you insert a sim, the Verizon iPhone lock to sim operator and we can't use another sim. Someone knows about these information??

    Someone could try Verizon iPhone in Europe?
     
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    Sorry, global was a bad word choice. In my head I was thinking:
    -USA/Canada GSM
    -USA/Japan CDMA
    -"global" GSM

    A better word may have been "international".

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    Yes, but OP is out of the USA and probably not near an Apple store. Also, with talk of all store stock going to online reservations, which require a contract, it's not clear you can get no-contract phones anymore.
     
  12. Applejuiced macrumors Westmere

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    On the verizon iphone 5 yes.
    They are all unlocked and the LTE should work too.
    The price is $650 plus tax for the 16gb model.
    That's how much the unlocked or full price iphones always cost in the US.
     
  13. rritterson macrumors 6502

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    No, this is wrong. LTE only works in certain countries with certain models of phone. OP has not told us where he is, so we can't be sure any iPhone 5 will get LTE there.
     
  14. Applejuiced macrumors Westmere

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    He wants to use a Verizon i5 overseas so Im assuming Europe. The Verizon i5 will work and connect to European and Asian LTE networks.
    But you're right, he didnt tell us exactly where he is.
    Either way GSM 3G will also work everywhere.
     
  15. rritterson, Sep 25, 2012
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    Then why does http://www.apple.com/iphone/LTE/ show the Verizon phone not working with LTE in Europe?
     
  16. Applejuiced macrumors Westmere

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    Not sure, I got this error when trying your link. Hmm, the page you’re looking for can’t be found.

    But I know that the Verizon iphone 5 LTE bands are compatible with Europe LTE frequencies. They have Verizons LTE and added European bands for international travel.
    The AT&T i5 is not compatible with European LTE bands, just North American.
     
  17. rritterson macrumors 6502

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    Try again, I fixed it. Apparently apple.com urls are case sensitive and stupid iOS capitalizes the P automatically.
     
  18. Applejuiced macrumors Westmere

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    Good, I see it now.
    But look again at the LTE bands and you will see that the verizon i5 are compatible with Europes MHz frequencies.
    Even the model numbers are the same.
    Once the verizon i5 is unlocked for international use it will be able to access those bands. And since we just found out that Verizon is selling them all even under contract iphone 5's unlocked then its confirmed.
    Verizon i5 is trully a world phone that will work everywhere but wont be able to access AT&T and canadian carriers LTE.
    It will still get 2G, 3G and HSPA+ on those carriers though. And 2G on Tmobile. 3G on Tmobile on the refarmed US locations also.
     
  19. rritterson macrumors 6502

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    Hmm I did not notice the identical model numbers. How does Verizon do LTE? I seem to recall they switched to the more globally compatible SIM-requiring standard. Is there any difference technically between Verizon LTE and DT LTE aside from maybe frequency? The chart implies turning on CDMA limits international LTE somehow. Does activating LTE require a CDMA handshake first on Verizon or something? Maybe then it wouldn't work abroad without establishing CDMA first.

    I can't imagine they would list the same model 2x unless they really are different. The only other explanation would be an attempt to trick you into thinking the Verizon phone wouldn't work outside the USA.
     
  20. Applejuiced macrumors Westmere

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    Yes, I think they want to make you think it wont work.
    And technically the Sprint i5 will not work unless they unlock it for international use.
    The verizon one is unlocked and it doesnt need CDMA at all to activate. Any sim will do with that one.
     
  21. Mliii macrumors 65816

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    Unfortunately, this is inaccurate.
    It IS compatible with SOME European LTE frequencies. But there is NO single European Standard frequency for LTE. It depends on which country you are in.
    Again, I'm talking LTE here. GSM is an altogether different kettle of fish!
     
  22. Applejuiced macrumors Westmere

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    True that.
    LTE is still all over the place and not established on a standard band like GSM 3G currently is everywhere.
     

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